outhouse
Atheistically
Its just I dont believe or trust him as far as a can throw him.
might have been a little strong but its my take on him.
I think calling him a a weirdo based on his actions is appropriate
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Josephus on Jesus
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Its just I dont believe or trust him as far as a can throw him.
might have been a little strong but its my take on him.
I think calling him a a weirdo based on his actions is appropriate
The old "Paul and Josephus are scumbags!" argument: scholarship at it's findest. :bow:
outhouse
Atheistically
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angellous_evangellous
Guest
I've actually never heard Paul called a scumbag.
I was initially surprised at how many first year seminarians hate Paul.
I'd assumed that people who were being trained as Christian ministers would have more love for him, but that is not the case at all.
Your personal take on them has nothing to do with scholarship and other endeavors wholly foreign to you. It is simply unconstrained pretense.
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angellous_evangellous
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But in the case of Paul, however, his historicity depends on the contents of his authentic letters. The only other evidence for Paul is much less dependable: Acts and "Peter."
And his letters are a critical source for the history of early church.
Please don't confuse him more than he already is.
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angellous_evangellous
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haha - I can't help it, man.
Every time I open my mouth people are confused or falling asleep (just my wife). I'm wondering if it's me or them.
:sleep:haha - I can't help it, man.
Every time I open my mouth people are confused or falling asleep (just my wife). I'm wondering if it's me or them.
... did you say something?
outhouse
Atheistically
So far Paul is my least studied subject, I think A guy could spend a life time and still be lost.
It is kind of cool trying to figure out why he would turn the way he did. Does give us insight to the first century.
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Master Of Ceremony
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Copernicus
Industrial Strength Linguist
I think that the 20th century can give us insight into the 1st century. See the John Frum cult of the so-called cargo cult religions. There is still a controversy over the historicity of John Frum. Was he real? Do we not have accounts of eyewitnesses? Well, nothing as solid as for the historicity of Jesus. I don't think anyone ever claimed to have met his brother.
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angellous_evangellous
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I think that the 20th century can give us insight into the 1st century. See the John Frum cult of the so-called cargo cult religions. There is still a controversy over the historicity of John Frum. Was he real? Do we not have accounts of eyewitnesses? Well, nothing as solid as for the historicity of Jesus. I don't think anyone ever claimed to have met his brother.
Do you know of anyone who claimed to have met the brother of Jesus?
(outside of Christian materials, of course)
Copernicus
Industrial Strength Linguist
Nope. Have you? The only person I know of who claimed to have met brother James was Paul.
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angellous_evangellous
Guest
Yes, that's the only instance that I know of, even in Christian literature. There could be someone somewhere who makes a similar claim, but it would certainly have been written by someone who could not have possibly have met him.