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BEEF EATING. for Sanatan dharma followers

zenzero

Its only a Label
Friends,

Like all followers of Sanatan dharma to share their views on this topic of BEEF EATING.
The following is an excerpt from an article from
Eating Beef is Acceptable In Hinduism. Who said otherwise? | India First-Hand
There is a myth that the invading Muslim rulers introduced Indians to eating beef. But it is clear from the Vedas and other ancient scriptures that Indians did eat beef thousands of years before Islam reached India. According to the Vedas Lord Indra ate bulls meat and Lord Agni ate bulls meat and also cow meat. Vedas also talk about 250 animals of which 50 are deemed fit for sacrifice and human consumption including the cow. The Charaka Samhita (ancient Indian Ayurvedic text) prescribes beef (and beef soup) as a medicine for curing diseases such as fever. For more on this subject please read “Holy Cow: Beef in Indian Dietary Traditions” by Professor Dwijendra Narayan Jha.

The voice of the majority works differently in politics when compared to other issues like individual rights. In politics the majority rule but not so in other areas. The resolution passed by the MCD cannot override the individual rights of the citizens of Delhi or the Indian athletes who will be attending the Commonwealth Games. They may want to eat beef which is not illegal in India (only cow slaughtering is illegal in certain states).
Love & rgds
 

Zardoz

Wonderful Wizard
Premium Member
Same Faith Debate... is for those of the same faith as declared. FYI
 

zenzero

Its only a Label
Friend Vinayaka,
You have missed the point.
Kindly understand that firstly sanatan dharma is all about tuning oneself with existence; it is never about good/bad.
When someone is conscious and acts consciously slowly all desires drop and one lives in harmony eating what is minimally required for the health of the body maintaining which too is dharma.

Love & rgds
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
Friend Vinayaka,
You have missed the point.
Kindly understand that firstly sanatan dharma is all about tuning oneself with existence; it is never about good/bad.
When someone is conscious and acts consciously slowly all desires drop and one lives in harmony eating what is minimally required for the health of the body maintaining which too is dharma.

Love & rgds

Gee, I thought you asked souls of SD to share their views on BEEF EATING as per the OP. Didn't realise it was about not being about good/bad, which is basically a core concept of SD. I mean not good, not bad. Also didn't realise it was about being conscious and acting consciously, as the OP didn't say that. Sorry for being so stupid, and not keeping up to your lofty concepts. I guess next time I'll just have to make a better guess as to what its about. :cool:
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
I will say that, while I was still studying Hinduism and starting to incorporate parts of its teachings into my life, I was still eating beef. But once I dived fully in, I just sort of... stopped. I still ate meat (and while I'm starting to stop that, I still do eat fish and egg-products for now; my health requires it), but I stopped eating beef. It wasn't a conscious decision; it just sort of happened. I haven't even desired it since. I don't even personally revere the cow all that much; my sacred animals have always been and shall always be the playful dolphin and the wise whale. ^_^

The thing about meat eating is that, while I don't see it as inherently immoral (after all, our bodies evolved to eat all kinds of foods), it is an indication of a lack of full compassion for such animals. Once that compassion develops, even the desire to eat meat will drop away.
 
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zenzero

Its only a Label
Friend Vinayaka,

Could you quote exactly where BEEF eating is banned in SD.
SD to personal understanding is not about any rules and regulations but about conscious living. It discusses every aspect of life in a manner to point towards the results of each action like what happens when one eats meat and what happens when one eats vegetables specially those that regrow.
Finally action without reaction comes only through consciousness which by is dropping all desires consciously; following rules may help but will still leave the unconsciousness open.

I guess next time I'll just have to make a better guess as to what its about.
Hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! still want to play the Guessing game??

Love & rgds

n.b. personally have no ideals of any kinds [high / low]
 

zenzero

Its only a Label
Friend Riverwolf,

Once that compassion develops, even the desire to eat meat will drop away
Agree and understand that is what DHARMA is all about. Once one realises that there is no differences between the eater and the eaten then even eating is minimal and that too only for the body's upkeep which too is a dharma.
Like you though still eat meat mostly unconsciously [sometimes for taste] but every moment the desire is dropping [possibly with age too - but well its part of evolution]
Love & rgds
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
Zenzero: Banning is not the way of SD. Perhaps particular sects or sampradayas do have hard and fast rules, but SD in general doesn't operate that way. Then again, we can never underestimate the diversity of what's commonly called Hinduism. It is incredibly common for folks to think, "My version of Hinduism is THE version of Hinduism." So much in fact that when a villager encounters a quite different version, he might even say, 'This isn't Hinduism." The book I quoted is a Tamil ethical scripture from a long time ago, and many north Indian or Advaitic based sampradayas would have never heard of it. Still it is a much valued scripture within Tamil Hinduism. I would subtitle it 'Guidelines for Living' not 'Rules for Living'.

In a similar vein, I do not put as much reverence on the Bhagavad Gita as others might, as its not a scripture of my personal sampradaya. In fact, I've never read it. Many Hindus read no scripture at all' they're so focused on bhakti, or seva.

People who choose SD as a path learn most ethics on their own, or listen to the wise teachers, and the elders. if it makes sense to them, they follow it. If not, they don't. One cannot deny the effects of outside influence, however. The British education system of Macauley, for example, is more alive in India and elsewhere today, than in Britain itself.

Historically, there is no way of really telling what diet was like for the masses, most of it is just conjecture. I am not that keen on history personally because of this. At the current time I also know of no Hindu teacher of the traditional type that advocates meat eating. I'm sure there is one or two out there somewhere, but I don't know of one. Personally, raised in the confused non-religious agricultural agnostic west, I was a heavy meat eater until age 19. Being an adventurous self-discovering type, when I first encountered the idea of vegetarianism, I said, "I'll try that for a month." After the month was over, I felt so much better physically that I never went back. So the way of life termed SD is like that ... a process. I know others who did the same type of experimentation who went back to meat. Currently most of my born Hindu friends eat meat. Most are ashamed, especially in front of me. Others aren't so much. All refrain from it on the day of coming to a temple.
 

Onkara

Well-Known Member
I understand you want our opinions, dear Zenzero :)

The problem is that the quotation creates dispute where there is little need for it. It speaks about muslim myths, politics, laws and right and wrong in Indian, "facts" of the Vedas and eating beef.

It seems to overlook that there is nothing wrong with not eating beef. No one is objecting to vegetarians. It seems to want to stir and make a debate where no debate is required. Peace!
 

zenzero

Its only a Label
Friends,
The reason for the thread is just to raise awareness about SD and its openness in every aspect of life. Its about life and living. Its about knowing about sharing about merging.
Only through discussion does our own levels of consciousness increases. The consciousness in a stone, an animal differ and though to reach the state of humans the form would have evolved through all those states and to reach the state of formlessness is the direction all paths/ways/religion are pointing towards.
The matter of eating beef as understand personally is that humans ate everything for survival at one stage but with meditation greater understanding has developed and with that meditators could find that eating meat itself is tamasic and so best avoided for those who which to be meditative and the subtle energy required by the mind to be stilled is in sattwic food. Besides in the prevalent culture cow as an animal was found to be most contributing to living for any family and so most revered and so even today we find them roaming freely in most cities of India.
The thread is an opportunity for every one to know and understand and share that SD is not about COMMANDMENTS of book of laws but a guideline [pointers] for every human to understand the inner working of each aspect of life and its effect including eating of various types of food.
Transcending/stilling the mind is the objective of every meditator in a conscious manner and those who are not meditators also slowly evolving towards that but unconsciously.
When one becomes conscious by which ever means it may come about then onwards it can never become unconcious and so when one understands and realizes that eating meat is detrimental by itself it drops on its own accord but as most do not bother to understand and realize but may follow diktats /command/rules for them some enlightened people have provided the same [market segmentation]and so we find certain paths/ways/religion have adopted such methods as the followers level of understanding have not reached the state to understand the subtle workings of the mind as have been long understood by meditators in India.
Love & rgds
 

zenzero

Its only a Label
Friend Vinayaka,
Thank you for sharing!
However am trying to point at DHARMA which is not personal but LAWS of EXISTENCE and which is applicable for all forms and no-forms.
Living in harmony by following the laws of existence is what is termed DHARMIC or ADHARMIC for those not in tune and neither is right or wrong but a state of the evolutionary process where that form lies which could also be termed as time/space zone for that form.
Love & rgds
 

bhaktajan

Active Member
Yes, I think it is a good Idea to talk about Madam “Maya”.

We have neglected to post all about the topic, “Maya”.

As, those-in--the-Know know Madam “Maya” has a wily way about our attachments et al.

Madam “Maya” leads us around by our Nose-ring.

What to make Madam “Maya” laugh? Tell her your plans ---and see what happens in the end, when you're reborn, yet again, in her lap!

We should stop the neti-neti process . . . and define to the enth-degree, "MAYA" ---Illusion.

It is more nobel to explore who we are in MAYA.
How we express ourselves as Mayaic beings. How Maya has us by the bullocks.

Maya is smarter than our puny resolve on the spiritual path!!!
Maya waited around for each being to appear so she could sink us again and again!!!
Maya has us!!!



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Regarding Go-Mata-ji(s):

gam ca dharma-dugham –
the cow is beneficial because one can draw religious principles from her.

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In the Vedic literature (Rig Veda 9.4.64) the words gobhih prinita-matsaram indicate that one who, being fully satisfied by milk, is desirous of killing the cow is in the grossest ignorance.

There is also a prayer in the Vedic literature that states:

namo brahmanya-devaya

go-brahmana-hitaya ca
jagad-dhitaya krsnaya
govindaya namo namah




“My Lord, You are the well-wisher of the cows and the brahmanas, and You are the well-wisher of the entire human society and world.” (Visnu Purana 1.19.65)

The purport [by A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami] is that special mention is given in that prayer for the protection of the cows and the brahmanas. Brahmanas are the symbol of spiritual education, and cows are the symbol of the most valuable food; these two living creatures, the Brahmanas and the cows, must be given all protection—that is real advancement of civilization.

In modern human society, spiritual knowledge is neglected, and cow killing is encouraged. It is to be understood, then, that human society is advancing in the wrong direction and is clearing the path to its own condemnation.

A civilization which guides the citizens to become animals in their next lives is certainly not a human civilization. The present human civilization is, of course, grossly misled by the modes of passion and ignorance.

It is a very dangerous age, and all nations should take care to provide this easiest process to save humanity from the greatest danger.

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A few excerts of verse commentary by AC Bhaktivedanta Swami, on Cow Protection:
Verses to brace-ourselves to preach Cow Protection
 
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zenzero

Its only a Label
Friend bhaktajan,

Maya is smarter than our puny resolve on the spiritual path!!!
Maya waited around for each being to appear so she could sink us again and again!!!
Maya has us!!!
Personal understanding:
Maya is what is perceived.
When the perceiver and the perceived is ONE then IT simply IS [TRUTH].
Maya remains as long as the MIND [perceiver] remains.
Meaning that it is the MIND that *sinks us* [if you wish to state so] and only by stilling it does the perceiver and perception ends to be in Oneness.
Love & rgds
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
The varigated questions and responses by Posters inre to "all sorts of topics" will be answered with the same sentiment, "All is One". It is lazy intellectualism, if not outright, dullard-ism.

Uh, I've never seen that sort of thing.
 

bhaktajan

Active Member
Uh, I've never seen that sort of thing.

I refer to Advaitist Monism expressed in Zenzero's replies [not to replies by the variety of posters who are not expressing Advaitin Monist ideas].

Here is an expression of my 'sentiment':

Personal understanding:
questions and responses by Posters is what is perceived.
When the questions and responses by Posters is ONE then IT simply IS [TRUTH].
Questions and responses by Posters remains as long as the MIND [perceiver] remains.
Meaning that it is the MIND that *sinks us* [if you wish to state so] and only by stilling it does the questions and responses by Posters ends to be in Oneness.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
Uh, I've never seen that sort of thing.

I've seen it a lot. Sometimes referred to as simplistic Advaita. Also used as an excuse to do practically anything one wants to. Rationalising, "Since it is all one, all one, nothing really matters, so committing adultery, eating meat, creating karma for oneself in all sorts of unseen ways ... all same, all same, one force in universe. Well, ultimately, it may be true, and there to be realised, but on a practical level, its a weird weird philosophy.
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
I refer to Advaitist Monism expressed in Zenzero's replies [not to replies by the variety of posters who are not expressing Advaitin Monist ideas].

Here is an expression of my 'sentiment':

Personal understanding:
questions and responses by Posters is what is perceived.
When the questions and responses by Posters is ONE then IT simply IS [TRUTH].
Questions and responses by Posters remains as long as the MIND [perceiver] remains.
Meaning that it is the MIND that *sinks us* [if you wish to state so] and only by stilling it does the questions and responses by Posters ends to be in Oneness.

I wouldn't call that laziness; I'd call that wisdom. Just because something isn't intellectual doesn't make it unwise. After all, most Sages have taught that the intellect can actually be a barrier to spiritual growth.

These responses are basically long versions of "neti neti".
 
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Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
I've seen it a lot. Sometimes referred to as simplistic Advaita. Also used as an excuse to do practically anything one wants to. Rationalising, "Since it is all one, all one, nothing really matters, so committing adultery, eating meat, creating karma for oneself in all sorts of unseen ways ... all same, all same, one force in universe. Well, ultimately, it may be true, and there to be realised, but on a practical level, its a weird weird philosophy.

That is odd, and is a good example of why such teachings are not good for everyone to know about without first being grounded in compassion.
 
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