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God didn't do it

idav

Being
Premium Member
AH!

I don't think it's a necessity. Some people think it's the truth, others don't, and we're all just speculating.
With my sci-fi mentality I do plenty of speculation without investing belief.
 

idav

Being
Premium Member
Thats what makes us pantheists ;)




Haha, most of them don't.

I met a priest once who didn't believe in "God", it was just a job to him.

You'll come to observe that most manipulators don't believe in their own devices, though the most worshipped and followed actually seem to believe in their own devices.

I think that a good definition of reality could be manipulation, since what do we truly know outside of ourselves (considering everything man has created and brought into existence), and invocation.

The earliest found translation for the word "God" comes from the ancient Sankskrit word (dating back over 15,000 years ago) "Hu" or diety, which roughly translates into to invoke, to implore, to call upon. I'd say thats the original feeling you get when trying to comprehend such a being, wonderment. I'd say thats sincere enough for me, but I don't know about you.

To invoke something is to delve into the Aspect that we separate from and pull out of oblivion.
I would think people who don't really believe in what they preach are the exception more than the rule. Though higher up the ladder I'm sure they are more knowledgeable about what they are selling.

Easy for people to believe in some sort of higher power just harder to define it what it is and where it actually comes from.
 
I see a lot of agreement that there is a cause and effect for most things we can account for. Where does the god of gaps currently fit in our ever increasing knowledge? Every time we fill a gap we find more that god didn't do. For theists, where would this filling of the gaps stop before we find that god didn't do anything?

For many, the deity's only roll was as a first cause.
 

Orias

Left Hand Path
Easy for people to believe in some sort of higher power just harder to define it what it is and where it actually comes from.


I think its actually harder to make such a being practical, and impersonal. Because most people that have a "God" believe usually like when others believe the same thing, though it is hardly relevant to anything within the real world at all.
 

Orias

Left Hand Path
So do you believe in an afterlife....with a God and angels waiting....
to see what stands up from the dust?

Theif, I swear you've asked me this like fifty times already.

I believe in the now, and what is to come after. But what that is, I do not know.

 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Theif, I swear you've asked me this like fifty times already.

I believe in the now, and what is to come after. But what that is, I do not know.

I do that when your posting leads to 'something' greater than yourself....
and then somehow you come up short of addressing 'it'.

As you just did in the above response.

There are some things you can be sure of.
'I don't know'.......might not stand well in the presence of 'something' greater.
 

ellenjanuary

Well-Known Member
I see a lot of agreement that there is a cause and effect for most things we can account for. Where does the god of gaps currently fit in our ever increasing knowledge? Every time we fill a gap we find more that god didn't do. For theists, where would this filling of the gaps stop before we find that god didn't do anything?

For this pseudo-theist, you ain't got no gap over my god. :D
 

idav

Being
Premium Member
I think its actually harder to make such a being practical, and impersonal. Because most people that have a "God" believe usually like when others believe the same thing, though it is hardly relevant to anything within the real world at all.
God not being all powerful shouldn't be a problems since most everything seems pretty much unmanaged. That doesn't discount an invisible hand type entity that at least has some influence but from the look of things it would have to be through purely natural processes. It is easy to see that we are all a microscopic part of something bigger but still hard to tell if that even means anything.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
God not being all powerful shouldn't be a problems since most everything seems pretty much unmanaged. That doesn't discount an invisible hand type entity that at least has some influence but from the look of things it would have to be through purely natural processes. It is easy to see that we are all a microscopic part of something bigger but still hard to tell if that even means anything.

And that hand created the natural process?

So God is simply sticking to the scheme of things He created?
 

idav

Being
Premium Member
And that hand created the natural process?

So God is simply sticking to the scheme of things He created?
Good question. That is the type of question the OP is asking. For example if we find that earthquakes are the result of tetonic plates and stress. There is a cause that we can elude to but not enough to say god didn't do it? God could be hiding behind the processes somewhere not obvious or may not even be involved at all. If god isn't really currently involved I wouldn't really see the point of a god concept. Also if god is just rolling along with the cause and effect he initialized then it does not leave much room for intervention.
 

Orias

Left Hand Path
I do that when your posting leads to 'something' greater than yourself....
and then somehow you come up short of addressing 'it'.

As you just did in the above response.

There are some things you can be sure of.
'I don't know'.......might not stand well in the presence of 'something' greater.

I never come short of addressing "it", voicing "it" to you is just unnecessary.



God not being all powerful shouldn't be a problems since most everything seems pretty much unmanaged. That doesn't discount an invisible hand type entity that at least has some influence but from the look of things it would have to be through purely natural processes. It is easy to see that we are all a microscopic part of something bigger but still hard to tell if that even means anything.


It means more than even a lot of atheists or skeptics think, when we sit here and discuss such topics it changes and evolves our perception of the world, ultimately influencing the actions and choices we attempt to make, which molds the world into our reflection.

Right now, I don't think its very pretty.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Good question. That is the type of question the OP is asking. For example if we find that earthquakes are the result of tetonic plates and stress. There is a cause that we can elude to but not enough to say god didn't do it? God could be hiding behind the processes somewhere not obvious or may not even be involved at all. If god isn't really currently involved I wouldn't really see the point of a god concept. Also if god is just rolling along with the cause and effect he initialized then it does not leave much room for intervention.


Do you include Creator in your dismissal of a 'god concept'?

And intervention can happen.

There's scripture of every kind to show indication.

Of course I lean on cause and effect.
 
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