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Wrong morals are the real culprit...

JMiller

JMiller

Member
Storm said:
Oh, ok. May I give you my religious answer, or are you looking for strict rationalism?

If religious answers are welcome, kindly summarize your understanding of my beliefs so that I know where to start. :)
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I have to go for now, but any answer is fine. I like to digest new information.


Oh, but I do! Like I said, the pursuit of morality is the divine purpose and mission of the human race. We're just not done. :)
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understood!

I wish I knew.... :(
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Well, that is what we are aiming for here ;)
 
Storm

Storm

ThrUU the Looking Glass
I believe apathy is largely due to selfishness, which is in turn due to the necessary illusion of separation, aka "ego."
 
Oneatatime

Oneatatime

Huh?
I go with apathy mixed with a sense that I've got enough on my plate to deal with without having to sort out other peoples problems.
 
JMiller

JMiller

Member
Sunstone said:
Where do you think people get their morals, for the most part?
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Well, I think a mojority of the world get them from their deity or religion.
However, atheism and rational thought is certainly making a strong stance in the last 100 years.
Aside from that, I think I should point out, in addition to wrong morals, it is also the lack of learning any morals. Such that, when situations arise that otherwise people ought to intervene, they simply don't know "how" to intervene, or "why" to intervene.
 
ellenjanuary

ellenjanuary

Well-Known Member
JMiller said:
Ellen, have you not just dove head first into a moral discussion at this point? I mean if morals aren't the culprit, then what place do morals have in the current injustices of the world?

I agree with what you just said, but doesn't what you just said support my idea that morals are an integral part of the problem, rather than a negligible part of the equation?
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What, you wanna be the prophet? Cool! You're the prophet. You lead, ;)

Forgive me master for speaking out of turn. I merely wish to indicate that morals not based upon absolutes cannot be simplified nor substantiated; and that perhaps by focusing upon absolute morality, a solution to the problem you have presented may make itself more readily apparent. ;)
 
JMiller

JMiller

Member
ellenjanuary said:
What, you wanna be the prophet? Cool! You're the prophet. You lead, ;)

Forgive me master for speaking out of turn. I merely wish to indicate that morals not based upon absolutes cannot be simplified nor substantiated; and that perhaps by focusing upon absolute morality, a solution to the problem you have presented may make itself more readily apparent. ;)
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Ok, so I didn't expect this reply. Maybe I said something wrong, or I am being arrogant. Either way, I apologize.
 
Orias

Orias

Left Hand Path
JMiller said:
Logically speaking, if the population at large believes in some sort of deity, and this deity teaches that earth is not the place for peace. Some teach it is within, some teach it is after death, some teach it is after the right reincarnation.

In addition to these diversions of current time and space, we have a culture of lazy unmotivated citizens, who view politics as a TV game show to watch at night, or read on the internet, not believing for a second, that anything will ever change.

Yet, even still when a disaster strikes, our hearts do pour out just a little bit. Some sense of true compassion surfaces.

My position here is that, it might be possible that many of the morals of many religions, create an environment of future tense, or ambiguous ideas about reality.

It is also possible that many religions, create a sense of guilt and fear about an individual standing up to loud against injustices and wrongs. Of course religions alone don't do this, but advertising, propaganda etc... play a large role as well.

All this seems to result in a large population of people that don't feel morally responsible for the grave injustices around us, world hunger, equal rights, etc...

How much do you think that wrong morals are to blame for much of this?
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I wouldn't necessarily say wrong morals, just a bad teacher.

Obviously this "teacher" didn't practice what He preached.
 
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AmbiguousGuy

Well-Known Member
Sunstone said:
Where do you think people get their morals, for the most part?
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Hi, Sunstone. I'd say that most people get their morals from the law. Whatever is legal in one's society is usually accepted as moral. It's why someone at the lowest level of moral thought will see 'doing drugs' as immoral, while drinking wine is moral. Prostitution is immoral -- unless one lives in a culture where it's legal and accepted. People just don't generally think very deeply into their own moral assumptions, so it seems to me.

I don't believe that morality comes from religion except to the degree that our parents and culture accept those religious teachings. Well, except for the occasional guy who sits around obsessively studying his religious texts, trying to work all that out.
 
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