Caution: Homosexuality Dangerous to Health

LittleNipper · Aug 30, 2004

Druidus said:
How do you know they weren't? Or if your "God", exists at all? I BELIEVE mine do, but they may not. Secondly, when was the last time you asked a Chimpanzee, Bonobo, Pig, Cetacean, Parrot or any other animal whether or not they contemplate their purpose?

The Bible clearly states in Genesis 1:26-28. Man is solely created in the IMAGE of GOD and man is given pre-eminence over the animals. My GOD exists. A question might be, why doesn't GOD exist for you? Secondly, when was the last time you heard an animal talk. Obviously, some creatures will respond to love and care, but their purpose is to serve man and care for their young (though some creatures do not). They do not have an eternal soul as does man. They are not GOD breathed...

Druidus said:
Just writing a book and saying it is the word of "God" doesn't make it true. Merely saying God doesn't like homosexuals doesn't make it true.
Also, because you believe in the bible, it is part of your convictions.

The Old Testament has existed for well over 2000 thousand years in its completed form. It is known that even the Greeks and Romans philosophers had access to the Old Testament. The Bible has outlasted all the mystic cults. I've NEVER said the GOD doesn't love homosexuals. I believe that you confuse rejection of a form of sin with rejection of the person enslaved to the sin. This is most certainly not the case... It is more an act of love to tell a person that they are in error then it is to sit back and let the truth slide by.
That is what hard love is all about. Love isn't always an easy road...

MarkT · Aug 30, 2004

Not so fast! Stress is also the "stuff" of heroes. Stress can also focus the mind to provide a solution.

No. Stress doesn't focus the mind. Stress causes physical and mental problems, even death.

Of course there are different kinds of stress. Some have simple solutions.

The "hero", for example, isn't thinking about what could happen to him in the dangerous situation. He's focused on the situation and his training provides him with a solution.

But the person who is under stress from worry, who is experiencing problems with no apparent solutions, who is tired and depressed, is the person who turns to drugs and alcohol for relief.

You could say drugs and alcohol are the solution.

Let's see - a thread about the contrasts between the gay pride days and Spring break?

No. The question is, Why don't we hear any complaints about public indecency from the gay community? You seem to be able to recognize indecency but you don't complain.

And I'm curious as to what lifestyle you mean - the one where both partners work?, the one where kids are raised?, or perhaps the one where the nation is bettered by providing strong building blocks of society?

I'm refering to your fantasy; promiscuous sex, sex in exotic locations, in public washrooms, in parks, sex with complete strangers, dangerous sex, sex that is prohibited, the stuff you find in a romance novel.

I'm talking about an escape from the pressures of living, from reality. I'm talking about your drug ie. homosexuality.

You mean like "finery" in church?

Yep. There are homosexuals in the church. Maybe the "finery" is what attracts them.

They have the same mentality as the man who dresses up like a woman, the woman who wears a black leather jacket, the people in the parades, the show offs, the people who like to dress up in costumes, who like disguises.

Another question - is that "traditional marriage" the one that was brokered by parents? or the one that Martin Luther turned back to the state? or the one like the "Cleavers"? or the second marriage after the first failed?

It's the marriage of a man and a woman that doesn't end in divorce. Marriage according to the law.

Changes in the divorce laws also underminded the traditional concept of marriage as did recognizing common law marriage and similar partnerships.

The spirit of love and commitment?

No. The spirit of the liar, the father of all lies.

Melody · Aug 30, 2004

<<So when you say you hope i'm ex-clergy because I at least tell the truth, and hope i'm not an active member of the Church....i'm not limited to a building. Wherever I am, Church goes with me. >>

Greyson,
No, I meant that if you were a clergy in a church with members, you would be doing your members a disservice by looking at all of them as nothing more than trollops and oglers.

If "wherever I am, church goes with me," then it shouldn't be difficult to move your "church" to a place uninhabited my trollops and oglers. My favorite place to worship is in my garden where I'm surrounded by God's creations. No trollops or oglers there.

Melody

Melody · Aug 30, 2004

<<I'm refering to your fantasy; promiscuous sex, sex in exotic locations, in public washrooms, in parks, sex with complete strangers, dangerous sex, sex that is prohibited, the stuff you find in a romance novel.>>

Clarification please. Was the above comment meant to apply to homosexuals or has the conversation wandered?

I ask because all of the above can be found just as readily in heterosexual relationships.

Melody

Ardhanariswar · Aug 30, 2004

why do people confuse homosexuality with lust? lust is also in heterosexuality and is equaly bad for health. homosexuality and heterosexuality in itself has no power, the human mind can use it for good or evil. jeez.

Green Gaia · Aug 30, 2004

MarkT said:
No. The question is, Why don't we hear any complaints about public indecency from the gay community? You seem to be able to recognize indecency but you don't complain.

Or perhaps you aren't listening, or perhaps the gay community doesn't feel compelled to tell everyone else how to live.

I'm talking about your drug ie. homosexuality.

LMAO! That was funny....

They have the same mentality as the man who dresses up like a woman, the woman who wears a black leather jacket, the people in the parades, the show offs, the people who like to dress up in costumes, who like disguises.

And what about those of us in the BGLT community who look and dress just as you do? I don't dress like a man, but I'm not dressed in high heels and short skirts, as the measure of feminitity in your heterosexual world either. I dress how is comfortable for me. Why is how someone dresses even an issue!?

It's the marriage of a man and a woman that doesn't end in divorce.

Explain the 60% divorce rate among heterosexual couples.

Changes in the divorce laws also underminded the traditional concept of marriage as did recognizing common law marriage and similar partnerships.

Right, I suppose you think women should submit to their husband as well and that men have a right to treat women however they want. No thanks.

Green Gaia · Aug 30, 2004

Gerani1248 said:
why do people confuse homosexuality with lust?

Because some will do and say anything to demonize that which they do not understand.

Ardhanariswar · Aug 30, 2004

"The Bible clearly states in Genesis 1:26-28. Man is solely created in the IMAGE of GOD and man is given pre-eminence over the animals. "

sorry if im going off topic. every living being has a soul. including plants and trees. i believe in this. they have feelings to become happy or sad. but they dont have further intelligence to improve their state as humans can. we can tell the next door neighbor to quit thier loud moans at night. we can, on a hot day, move to the shade. all living beings have this quality to some extent, but only humans can activly do it and get rid of it. they have the ability to reduce suffering and better thier lives.

God created this, but this does not mean that we are better than animals. we are equal. we have no right to kill animals and spiders for fun. we may kill them for food, but to think one species (or race/color) is better than another is just corruption from the human mind that stains the bible. its a pity that fundamentalists who take the bible literally cannot discern between what is divine and human foolish thinking.

LittleNipper · Aug 30, 2004

Gerani1248 said:
"The Bible clearly states in Genesis 1:26-28. Man is solely created in the IMAGE of GOD and man is given pre-eminence over the animals. "

sorry if im going off topic. every living being has a soul. including plants and trees. i believe in this. they have feelings to become happy or sad. but they dont have further intelligence to improve their state as humans can. we can tell the next door neighbor to quit thier loud moans at night. we can, on a hot day, move to the shade. all living beings have this quality to some extent, but only humans can activly do it and get rid of it. they have the ability to reduce suffering and better thier lives.

God created this, but this does not mean that we are better than animals. we are equal. we have no right to kill animals and spiders for fun. we may kill them for food, but to think one species (or race/color) is better than another is just corruption from the human mind that stains the bible. its a pity that fundamentalists who take the bible literally cannot discern between what is divine and human foolish thinking.

We are GOD breathed (see Genesis Chapter 2 verse 7). This is not said of any of the animals. After the FLOOD, Noah was told in Genesis 9:3-5 that he could eat anything, but he was not to drink blood. This seems to be a direct result of the FLOOD. Later GOD gives Moses the LAW where specific creatures were forbidden to be eaten. Prior to the FLOOD man was a to be a vegetarian (see Genesis 3:17-18). Man was created alittle less then than the ANGELS (see Psalm 8:4 & 5). This is not said Biblically of any animal.

I agree with you that man has been given a responsibility to GOD to use resources wisely. This is a Christian ideal also (waste not want not). It was the Christian influence in the West that pushed to end to slavery that was widespread even in India. It was Christian influence that eventually brought about the Civil War in the United Stated. Harriet Beecher Stowe was a Christian hymn writer as well. The underground railroad had it starting points in the South. So please don't throw blanket digs at "Fundamentalists". I feel that you will find that Christian Fundamentalists have alot more discernment than you might give them credit for. They certainly have had a positive influence in all parts of the globe through their mission work...

Ardhanariswar · Aug 30, 2004

fundamentalists are fundamentalists. they take everything seriously to the point of death. islamic and hindu fundamentalists use voilence to get thier points across, christain fundamentalists use hateful words, ignorance to attack others.
ive been on a christian forum, and they slaughtered me for my beliefs. they sponsered a site that spoke against other religions and said that buddhist chants will be heard in the depths of hell.

excuse me, Jesus was never hateful. you have strayed from the path of following jesus. Jesus was a kind, compassionate human who was altruistic and understanding of others.

um, too bad many people of the old south owned black slaves and yet went to mass on sunday. werent the british anglican? why did they forcibly take over india? why did they force to trade opium with china? give more exact details of how christain fundamentals ended all these evils, please.

in order to help others, they bribed the poor with education so they can be converted into christianity. why? what did they gain from converting others? anyone can truly gain happiness by just helping them. but then again your definition of help is converting them by the cross. ya whatever.

thats what you believe, and this is what i believe. mkay?

LittleNipper · Aug 30, 2004

Maize said:
Explain the 60% divorce rate among heterosexual couples.
Right, I suppose you think women should submit to their husband as well and that men have a right to treat women however they want. No thanks.

No fault divorce and a turning away from Biblical principles is what has driven up the divorce rate. There is also encouragement within society today to do what one pleases to make one "HAPPY". There are no absolutes. There is no right or wrong. The very fact we are even having this discussion gives credibility to what I say. People made mistake or even lived in sin; however, they would not openly say that society should carry on in the very same way. They logically realized that simply amending a law didn't suddenly make a sinful act any less sinful. GOD's LAW prevails.

The wife should submit to her husband & husbands are to love their wives as Christ loved the Church and gave Himself for it (see Ephesians 5: 21-29). The wife is respnsible to her husband and the husband is responsible to GOD for the spiritual groweth and welfare of the family.

LittleNipper · Aug 30, 2004

Gerani1248 said:
fundamentalists are fundamentalists. they take everything seriously to the point of death. islamic and hindu fundamentalists use voilence to get thier points across, christain fundamentalists use hateful words, ignorance to attack others.
ive been on a christian forum, and they slaughtered me for my beliefs. they sponsered a site that spoke against other religions and said that buddhist chants will be heard in the depths of hell.

excuse me, Jesus was never hateful. you have strayed from the path of following jesus. Jesus was a kind, compassionate human who was altruistic and understanding of others.

um, too bad many people of the old south owned black slaves and yet went to mass on sunday. werent the british anglican? why did they forcibly take over india? why did they force to trade opium with china? give more exact details of how christain fundamentals ended all these evils, please.

in order to help others, they bribed the poor with education so they can be converted into christianity. why? what did they gain from converting others? anyone can truly gain happiness by just helping them. but then again your definition of help is converting them by the cross. ya whatever.

thats what you believe, and this is what i believe. mkay?

Southerners were not all Christian. Chriistian do make mistakes----I never suggested that they do not. All the British are not Christian nor are all Anglicans Christian for that matter. I noted that you did not deny that there was slavery in India BEFORE the British arrived though-----a cleaver way to no accept blame is to find anothers fault. Christ was very tough with the religious leader of his day. He called them hypocrites very often... As a Christian I have a concern for someones health; however, I have a greater concern for someone's eternal soul.

LittleNipper · Aug 30, 2004

In India it was prevailing practice to offer babies by throwing them into the Ganges River. Of course the ones usually offered were unwanted girls or babies with birth defects. This practice was legally stopped by the direct influence of Christian missonaries.

Green Gaia · Aug 30, 2004

Let's get back on topic, please.

LittleNipper · Aug 30, 2004

Yes, homosexual behavior is unhealthy both physically and spiritually. What you think you become...

Green Gaia · Aug 30, 2004

LittleNipper said:
Yes, homosexual behavior is unhealthy both physically and spiritually. What you think you become...

Only if you believe homosexuality is unhealthy. Oh, and it's not a behavior, ask any medical professional.

Melody · Aug 30, 2004

>>The wife should submit to her husband & husbands are to love their wives as Christ loved the Church and gave Himself for it (see Ephesians 5: 21-29). The wife is respnsible to her husband and the husband is responsible to GOD for the spiritual groweth and welfare of the family.>>

This is those wonderful little Bible sound bites that make absolutely no sense. Submit in what way? Please...enlighten me.

Melody

LittleNipper · Aug 30, 2004

It is a matter of chain of command. The buck stops at the husband. He is accountable to GOD and the wife is to be an encouragement to her husband. Together they set the rules for the children and disciplinary action when needed. The wife is to be supportive of the husband's decisions and he is to listen to her wise counsel. If there is heat to be taken the husband is to take it. The wife is to offer the water when needed and turn on the fan. The husband shoulders the load while the wife offers direction and a helping hand.

sankazhria16 · Aug 30, 2004

LittleNipper said:
It is a matter of chain of command. The buck stops at the husband. He is accountable to GOD and the wife is to be an encouragement to her husband. Together they set the rules for the children and disciplinary action when needed. The wife is to be supportive of the husband's decisions and he is to listen to her wise counsel. If there is heat to be taken the husband is to take it. The wife is to offer the water when needed and turn on the fan. The husband shoulders the load while the wife offers direction and a helping hand.

And I thought it was only those crazy Moslem Fundamentalists in the middle east who oppressed their women! News flash, folks: its the Southern Baptists! No wonder our fundamentalist, religious right government gives Saudi Arabia a blank check to oppress its women (and other citizens). I thought we just liked them cuz of the oil and Bush's family connections, but maybe i'm wrong....

Melody · Aug 30, 2004

<<He is accountable to GOD and the wife is to be an encouragement to her husband. >>

Okay...let's apply this to real life. My husband is an atheist. I am a Christian. If I submit to my husband and my husband doesn't want me to go to church or talk about God to our children, do I take it this means I must be obedient and turn my back on God and encourage my husband to remove God from our children's lives....and God will throw my husband in hell but I'm in the clear because I submitted to his will?

I think the Bible has some wonderful stories for teaching people about God, but it is also full of intolerance and antiquated ideas that were reflective of the society of the times. The Bible was written by man and translated by man and man decided which books made it into the Bible and which didn't. There are numerous examples where man chose to substitute a word because he didn't care for the interpretation of the original word. For example, "Suffer not a witch to live" is a very popular quote from the Bible. Too bad it's not correct. The true translation of the word is "Suffer not a poisoner to live" but...oops....how could the church possibly come up with an excuse to burn women as witches if they didn't fudge the translation?

I do not believe that God created women to be subservient to men. Look at any strong partnership and you will find that the strengths and weaknesses of the partners complement the whole. In my marriage, my husband and I defer to each other and I wouldn't have it any other way.

Melody

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