Was Islam invented by the Catholic Church

LuisDantas · Jun 25, 2011

Brendan ben David said:
I'm not? ... Do I have to?

Of course you don't, but the question presents itself. I must confess that I can't very well imagine a situation of someone believing that Mohammed was a legitimate messenger from God yet not finding a need to follow the Islamic religion. I would love to hear about how is that possible.

ellenjanuary · Jun 25, 2011

No. Mohammed got a dose of Holy Spirit from the Source, and saw a way to manipulate the Pauline Agenda of the Church... and as was Recited:

Say not three!

England my lionheart · Jun 25, 2011

CaptainBritain said:
Not so sure on the not smart part, condoms do defend against STD's but they also prevent new Catholics being born

Fair point,as far as the Catholic Church is concerned there can never be enough

while I agree the magnitude of it all seems far fetched, the theory that Mo learnt what he learnt from Catholic and Greek sources does seem a lot more plausable than divine revelation given that the Quran contains mostly altered versions of Biblical stories and knowledge fully familiar to the Greek and Roman mind of the day.

I think most theories are more plausible than divine revelation

For example there is the claim that the N/T contained a prophecy of Mo's coming but the Catholics erased that part.

Ah there have been many threads on that subject,always amused me the amount of Goalpost moving involved in changing the meaning of the word Machmad.

No Christian would be prepared to accept that theory but its a claim made by many Muslims that the Bible was corrupted so.
No evidence of such corruption exists that I have found.

Maulana Abdul Haq Vidyarthi is responsible for a lot of these theories,ironically he converted to the Amidiyya sect and not considered as Muslim,then Deedat and Naik took up the Baton of spreading this nonsense.

For a person to learn of Christian scripture and then to run away with it and create a whole new ball of wax has happened many times in history as I am sure you are familiar with, Islam could be just one in a long line of faiths that started this way.

This is how it seems to me but no Catholic Church is required

Either that or it was simply divine revelation and we should all revert immediatly

:no:

sojourner · Jun 25, 2011

CaptainBritain said:
Yes it is too much to ask, this is a forum thread, who runs to the library on account of that when the computer they are tapping away at will do the job?

Im a realist at heart.

You're assuming that Wiki is "doing the job." It's not.

JacobEzra. · Jun 25, 2011

CaptainBritain said:
Why does the US spend billions arming tin pot regimes around the World and then fight the countries they armed?.

If no conspiracy, it certainly looks as though the Catholic Church was Islams parent, the earliest writings on the christian side claim Islam to be a heretic christian sect.

Ha, no. Christianity was born from Judaism, and then Mohammed raped them both and came up with Islam.

YmirGF · Jun 25, 2011

sojourner said:
You're assuming that Wiki is "doing the job." It's not.

Oh, come now, sojourner, that is why he gave the extra admonishment to Google the topic. We all know that Google isn't rigged, right?

islam abduallah · Jun 25, 2011

JacobEzra said:
Ha, no. Christianity was born from Judaism, and then Mohammed raped them both and came up with Islam.

how we could say that, do u have evidences about that?, if so please post it, if not please think about what i'm saying, christians believe that jesus was god while quran said it's just messenger, christians said that the god begot a son while quran deny that at all, jews said that jesus was the son of adultery while quran say no, mary was innocent and she didn't do adultery and the jesus was the word of god to mary

how we could combine by that?

JacobEzra. · Jun 25, 2011

islam abduallah said:
how we could say that, do u have evidences about that?, if so please post it, if not please think about what i'm saying, christians believe that jesus was god while quran said it's just messenger, christians said that the god begot a son while quran deny that at all, jews said that jesus was the son of adultery while quran say no, mary was innocent and she didn't do adultery and the jesus was the word of god to mary

how we could combine by that?

The Quran is certainly a piece of work. I mean in the beginning of the book, it criticizes the Jews for only praying in the direction of Jerusalem saying God is everywhere and you can pray anyway you like, but then goes on to say you must pray towards mecca.

Quran mixes Judaism and Christianity with an added twist. Its like a ****** sequel.

islam abduallah · Jun 25, 2011

JacobEzra said:
The Quran is certainly a piece of work. I mean in the beginning of the book, it criticizes the Jews for only praying in the direction of Jerusalem saying God is everywhere and you can pray anyway you like, but then goes on to say you must pray towards mecca.
.

could u tell me where the quran criticized the jews for praying to the direction of jeursalim

Marble · Jun 25, 2011

CaptainBritain said:
I am led to understand that Mo was best pals with a Catholic friar and one of his wives was a Catholic.

If you mean Maria al-Qibtiyya, she was a Copt.

CaptainBritain said:
the earliest writings on the christian side claim Islam to be a heretic christian sect.

How much did these Christians who wrote about Islam at this time really know about Islam?
They may have heard that somewhere out there a new philosophy had emerged, but how much could they really know?
So it is understandable when they came to wrong conclusions.

CaptainBritain · Jun 25, 2011

sojourner said:
You're assuming that Wiki is "doing the job." It's not.

again hence the google search term suggested, the first few sites after the ads at the top lead to other places, the wiki article was just a pointer, if the religious section of your local library is as vast as you seem to be painting you are indeed lucky.

Bismillah · Jun 26, 2011

A created enemy that agrees with everything you say is not a created enemy.

That's quite clever did you make it up yourself? Would you like a pat on the head? Or how about answering the fundamental divide between Islam and Christianity over the most basic of theological premises.

Your "theory" is laughable.

Bismillah · Jun 26, 2011

Ha, no. Christianity was born from Judaism, and then Mohammed raped them both and came up with Islam.

No the explicit purpose of Islam is the means to, once again, reject Christian polytheism and embrace tawhid.

JacobEzra. · Jun 26, 2011

Bismillah said:
No the explicit purpose of Islam is the means to, once again, reject Christian polytheism and embrace tawhid.

I find Islam a joke in how they think all powerful allah allowed them evil Jews and Christians to mess up the scriptures, and then waits many many many years to correct them evil Jews and Christians.

Wombat · Jun 26, 2011

Brendan ben David said:
I'm not? ... Do I have to?

No...but you do have to go back three spaces to that nice little cake shop on Glenhuntly Rd.

Enjoy.

crocusj · Jun 26, 2011

JacobEzra said:
I find Islam a joke in how they think all powerful allah allowed them evil Jews and Christians to mess up the scriptures, and then waits many many many years to correct them evil Jews and Christians.

Would that logic not make either Judaism or Christianity a joke on the Messiah idea?

JacobEzra. · Jun 26, 2011

crocusj said:
Would that logic not make either Judaism or Christianity a joke on the Messiah idea?

No. The Jews had a covenant, and was awaiting a messiah and a new covenant. There is no speaking of any other covenant coming after the New Covenant.

waitasec · Jun 26, 2011

JacobEzra said:
No. The Jews had a covenant, and was awaiting a messiah and a new covenant. There is no speaking of any other covenant coming after the New Covenant.

was there a promise of a 2nd covenant?

JacobEzra. · Jun 26, 2011

waitasec said:
was there a promise of a 2nd covenant?

There was a promise of the new covenant which came with Jesus.

crocusj · Jun 26, 2011

JacobEzra said:
No. The Jews had a covenant, and was awaiting a messiah and a new covenant. There is no speaking of any other covenant coming after the New Covenant.

Anyway, by your logic which religion between Judaism and Christianity is the joke one of them since one of them has to be?

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