Cain
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Better yet . . . why aren't there ANY Muslim scientists?
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The miracle of the Quran
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YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
Oh come now, there are a few. There are even a couple who have won a Nobel Prize.
darkendless
Guardian of Asgaard
Originally Posted by noh950
that the heavens and the earth ware joined together as one united piece, then We parted them ?
Nothing "misleading" about it at all.
The concept and intent is crystal clear.
Everything we see in the physical heavens was once "joined together".
A remarkable and accurate observation/revelation.
It could mean many things. What I love about these debates is how those that post these loaded verses cannot seem to see how what they post could mean several things.
What is also amusing is how propoentents of these verses know "for sure" that their interpretation is the right one
These threads always seem to end the same way,all these claims actually achieve is an invitation to ridicule,from the miracle of number 19 in the Qur'an to Mountains as Pegs they are only impressive to Muslims,to me they just seem ambiguous mumbo jumbo.
Cain
Member
I stand completely corrected . . . :foot: List of Muslim scientists - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Wombat
Active Member
And your arguement becomes overwhelming in regard the "many things" you have identified as alternative meanings.
And what I love about these debates is that you think saying there are "many" meanings then reducing it to "several" without actually having put forward >one<....somehow constitutes "debate".
All you offer is a furphy.
'Meaning' thereof will be ascertained in accord with language, culture, age, experience, education...............or base capacity to Google.
What is also amusing is how propoentents of these verses know "for sure" that their interpretation is the right one
When confronted with verse,poem,scripture that has the potential for metaphor-("Let the dead bury the dead"
) I'm happy to do so.But while you are "amused" I find it hysterical that anyone ought go looking for "the right interpretation" when you cannot even suggest a single alternative interpretation.
So let's try a few...
Heavens "joined together" could mean "Superglue is not for you sunshine...go tell your mother she wants you"?
"all life from the water" could mean "Don't come the raw prawn"
"Expanding" universe could mean "Shut the dunny door and go thank your mother for the rabbits"?
darkendless
Guardian of Asgaard
And your arguement becomes overwhelming in regard the "many things" you have identified as alternative meanings.
Why waste my time when you will shoot them down anyway? Its not just the one you quoted, if you havn't read the rest of the thread there are about 20 passages covering a range of topics.
There is not much of a debate. More like preaching and then the original poster being scared off when their religious scripture is treated with less respect than they expected.
I remember once we argued this verse: [Yusufali 15:26] We created man from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape;
Muslims debated that humans were actually made of clay because we share common elements. Do you see what i'm getting at here. The verse could be symbolic, it could be literal, it could mean more than one thing.
When confronted with verse,poem,scripture that has the potential for metaphor-("Let the dead bury the dead"
But while you are "amused" I find it hysterical that anyone ought go looking for "the right interpretation" when you cannot even suggest a single alternative interpretation.
So let's try a few...
Heavens "joined together" could mean "Superglue is not for you sunshine...go tell your mother she wants you"?
"all life from the water" could mean "Don't come the raw prawn"
"Expanding" universe could mean "Shut the dunny door and go thank your mother for the rabbits"?
Heavens, what heavens? Does it mean only the sky? The solar system? The whole universe? All life from water? What water? Where does it come from? Not very specific or useful.
My problem with Quranic miracles is their lack of detail and ambiguity. Poetic writing lends nothing to these so called miracles. How is anyone meant to tell if they're symbolic or literal?
Milind2469
Member
I guess he just forgot to put in the bit about the world resting on the back of elephants standing on the back of a great turtle.
Lucky huh.
Did you have to mention some words from one of the Hindu books (out of Hundreds...some may be pointing to more accurate facts...but you chose to ignore them) to convince non-Muslims about Islam?
Could you not have done it based only on your books?
Guess they can't,all these miracles yet it took 1400 years for them to see them,well thanks to Maulana Abdul Haq Vidyarthi who got the ball rolling then Deedat followed by Dr Zakir Naik they continue to churn out this nonsense which all seems a bit desperate to me,if they have to resort to claims such as these to substantiate their faith and recruit bodies then its very sad IMO.
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Wombat
Active Member
No.
Did you have to assume it was a reference to Hindu scripture and not contemporary Terry Pratchett- Diskworld?
Sadly...my books remain unfinished and unpublished...Pratchett's are very popular.
ninerbuff
godless wonder
What? No mention of asexual reproduction?
PolyHedral
Superabacus Mystic
Well, it's a fair assumption, since that's where Pratchett got the idea.
ellenjanuary
Well-Known Member
There's a disconnect!
Mohammed was kicking it with his peeps, who were like, "show us a magic trick!"
And Mohammed's like "I ain't all down with the misdirection of Sign and Wonder, there shall be no miraculousness from this quarter..."
Mohammed was kicking it with his peeps, who were like, "show us a magic trick!"
And Mohammed's like "I ain't all down with the misdirection of Sign and Wonder, there shall be no miraculousness from this quarter..."
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
Details, details, details...Well, it's a fair assumption, since that's where Pratchett got the idea.
Vendetta
"Oscar the grouch"
I am sorry I think the fact that the use of the word miracle, and Quran will cause immediate critique. But what of homosexuality? There are obvious structural differences in gay male brains in comparison to straight female brains along with hormonal changes. Not to mention various species that commence in homosexual activity. So God not only allows this anomaly but forbids it at the same time and doesn't say anything about other creatures?
Really Really now
sO WHERE exactly did the smoke and gases come from, come come tell me
Well, why don't you?
were where the Jews in the Egyptians age ? in the WC ? Just joking
look brother no one proof that these miracles already discover by Egyptians ...etc
water is more important than the carbon , we can live without carbon or any thing else but you cant live without water
jarofthoughts
Empirical Curmudgeon
:no:
Errr... No.
We cannot.
We can't live without carbon, nitrogen and a whole range of other elements.
it's realy good question , I guess gas and smoke created by God ?
the God did not told us how he creat the smoke ? or how he creat angels and hell or heaven ?
exactly as he told us how he creat Adam but he did not told us how he created the soul that he put in Adam ...or us for exemple .
in the matter of the smoke this what God said in Quran and this is what the science proof