The Neo Nerd
Well-Known Member
So i'm going to go back two questions and ask you again, did he HAVE to kill them?
and by this i am asking, were there NO alternatives?
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why Yaweh is not a demon.
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So i'm going to go back two questions and ask you again, did he HAVE to kill them?
and by this i am asking, were there NO alternatives?
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
he could have put them in a box and sent them out to space
but in the circumstances of the accounts found in the bible, Gods enemies are those who sought to hurt Isrealites. The nations in the region actively came against the isrealites with the intent on killing them. God interceded on behalf of the isrealites as a means of saving them from destruction. In times of war, a strong hand is required.
But any nation who chose terms of peace with Isreal were not in any danger and there are examples where Isreal even fought to protect some of those people.
ellenjanuary
Well-Known Member
Love.
That simple.
Too simple? My "personal experience with YHWH" (which of course may just be, ellen and evil ellen) leads me to conclude that YHWH is of monopoles, beyond dualities; whereas demons need to demonize. YHWH need not YHWH-ize.
ellenjanuary
Well-Known Member
Ah, no. Consider: the electromagnetic spectrum. Know how every element absorbs certain frequencies? No matter what I speak of YHWH, I can only speak as ellen. Only god gets to be the whole spectrum.
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
Ah, no. Consider: the electromagnetic spectrum. Know how every element absorbs certain frequencies? No matter what I speak of YHWH, I can only speak as ellen. Only god gets to be the whole spectrum.
very good way of putting it :bow:
The Neo Nerd
Well-Known Member
he could have put them in a box and sent them out to space
but in the circumstances of the accounts found in the bible, Gods enemies are those who sought to hurt Isrealites. The nations in the region actively came against the isrealites with the intent on killing them. God interceded on behalf of the isrealites as a means of saving them from destruction. In times of war, a strong hand is required.
But any nation who chose terms of peace with Isreal were not in any danger and there are examples where Isreal even fought to protect some of those people.
Putting them in a box and sending them into outer space would have protected the israelites just as efficiently, agreed?
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
The Neo Nerd
Well-Known Member
ok im done dancing around this, your god chose to kill the enemies of israel instead of banishing them (he could have banished them to the other side of the world).
It was his choice to kill them therefore it cannot be blamed on satan, therefore god is a killer.
i wait with baited breath to see what manner of logical gymnastics you use to argue against this.
It was his choice to kill them therefore it cannot be blamed on satan, therefore god is a killer.
i wait with baited breath to see what manner of logical gymnastics you use to argue against this.
ellenjanuary
Well-Known Member
Life, is the killer. That was the choice. Besides, what's this about? If scripture is not holy, it is history; and history is always written by the victors. Meaning Israel chose to write god into the script, not the other way around. God don't really need a book.
The Neo Nerd
Well-Known Member
Life, is the killer. That was the choice. Besides, what's this about? If scripture is not holy, it is history; and history is always written by the victors. Meaning Israel chose to write god into the script, not the other way around. God don't really need a book.
Peggs premise that her god has not killed anyone is blatantly incorrect and when it was pointed out that it is wrong she proceeds to use ridiculous arguments to justify it.
I don't give a flying **** what she believes, i do care that the views she puts forward are consistent with the facts and logic.
-Q
ellenjanuary
Well-Known Member
K. My bias runs in the other direction, as I like Pegg.
The Neo Nerd
Well-Known Member
K. My bias runs in the other direction, as I like Pegg.
Do you think that i argue against Pegg because i don't like her. Not having had much to do with her i am indifferent.
-N
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
those who surrendered were permitted to remain in in the land with the Isrealites. Terms of peace were drawn up between the Israelites and many different people. The only nation to whom peace was not offered was with the Canaanites. God had already determined that as a nation, they were not fit to live due to their vile practices...human sacrifices being one of them.
however, just to demonstrate to you how merciful God really is, there were some tribes and individual families from among the cannanites who were spared. Rahab, a Canaanite prostitute from the city of Jericho was saved, along with her entire family, because she protected 2 Israelite spies.
Then there was another Canaanite tribe, the Gibeonites, who were also spared and even protected by the Isrealites when angry cannanites tried to kill the tribe for making peace with Isreal. So even though God had decreed that the Canaanites were to be annihilated, he saw individuals who deserved saving and saved them.
Other nations who had not been deemed worthy of destruction were given the opportunity to sign peace treaties with the Isrealites. If they didnt want to do that, then war was the result, but the peace treaty was always first offered to them. These accounts are recorded in the bible to show that God does not kill indiscriminately. He does make judgments on people and he even is able to reverse a judgment if the people show a repentant attitude such as the people of Nineveh in the account of Jonah.
Like all good judges, he is fair and able to weigh up the different circumstances of individuals without showing partiality.
I would remind you that we are all born into a state of dieing a slow death. That is not because God is killing us...its because Satan, and Adam, led mankind down the path of independence from God.
God is working to bring us back to him though. And, one more thing that you should consider is that God has promised that every person who has lived and died will be resurrected to life on earth again. He will give everyone a 2nd chance to learn about him without the efforts of Satan to hide the truth through the millions of false religions he has established. People will be able to learn the truth about Jehovah and his requirements and then they will be able to decide if they want to live under Gods rule or not. At least God is giving mankind the decision...Satan wouldn't even give us that much.
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
well i didnt really say that. If you go back to the context, it should be clear that I was talking about the reason why we die at all. it was Satan who led mankind down this path in the first place and if he never did, no one would stand in opposition to God and his authority.
Anonymouse
Member
It's not only Pegg's mind, there are others.
Flankerl
Well-Known Member
Oh its time for one of the best quotes of the TaNaKh.
Isaiah 45:7
ז יוֹצֵר אוֹר וּבוֹרֵא חֹשֶׁךְ, עֹשֶׂה שָׁלוֹם וּבוֹרֵא רָע; אֲנִי יְהוָה, עֹשֶׂה כָל-אֵלֶּה.
7 I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil; I am the LORD, that doeth all these things.
Isaiah 45:7
ז יוֹצֵר אוֹר וּבוֹרֵא חֹשֶׁךְ, עֹשֶׂה שָׁלוֹם וּבוֹרֵא רָע; אֲנִי יְהוָה, עֹשֶׂה כָל-אֵלֶּה.
7 I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil; I am the LORD, that doeth all these things.
The Neo Nerd
Well-Known Member
Thanks for playing Pegg.
You've been great.
You've been great.
Luminous
non-existential luminary
Hi, sorry for the long delay. The demon would have decided to pretend to teach people about justice, loving-kindness, and compassion because it gives it more followers and conflict. It wasn’t funny, just very intelligent. Perhaps making people name it as a male, is good enough an evil for it. But I suppose it could be a joke, either way it would be evil. I suppose demons would have their own perfect reasons.
The purpose of this question is to foster progress and inquiry. Distrust is the best way to trust rightly. We should test and think about everything objectively. In this case, we are distrusting that God is who Yahweh says IT is. Assuming that Yahweh is a demon posing for a Deist or otherwise occupied God has historically always been a point of interest and such a line of thought has never been proven wrong… The case in point would likely be some of the Gnostics or Zoroastrians. I personally don’t find such believes or questions insane, I find them quite interesting.
Luminous
non-existential luminary
Not to be incindiatory, but that seems like something the Nazi's could have said in their defense. I believe when you really try hard, anything can be excused.
Luminous
non-existential luminary
What do you mean? YHWH loves and helps it's futile enemies? angels and demons acording to him are the same?Love.
That simple.
Too simple? My "personal experience with YHWH" (which of course may just be, ellen and evil ellen) leads me to conclude that YHWH is of monopoles, beyond dualities; whereas demons need to demonize. YHWH need not YHWH-ize.