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I am Israel

kai

ragamuffin
Nismallah no human is less than human, despite his actions and to include such a sweeping statement which would women and children in this definition of yours is incredulous.


i got the
"Colonists are not human if they're in the Great Plains, S. Africa, or the West Bank and I could care less how many are killed while they carry out their illegal land grabs to fulfill their covenant with God."


but that was after you refereed to Israeli colonists.and i suggest thats exactly what you meant ( Israeli colonists). Its political arguments that are involved here, not who is more Human than others.
 

Bismillah

Submit
They are Israeli territory. GTFO.
What are you five?

Israel didn't even annex the territories and they were handed down from Jordanian control to that of the PLO. It is NOT Israeli land, don't let the barbaric colonist in you distort the facts.

Nismallah no human is less than human, despite his actions and to include such a sweeping statement which would women and children in this definition of yours is incredulous.
I disagree, certain actions make people less than human in my eyes, they are monsters. Not children certainly, but adults who opt to steal land and directly contribute to one of the biggest reasons peace cannot be achieved are disgusting.

but that was after you refereed to Israeli colonists.and i suggest thats exactly what you meant ( Israeli colonists). Its political arguments that are involved here, not who is more Human than others.
I'm sorry but what exactly does it matter if I refer to Israeli colonists, we are discussing that particular subject are we not? Their actions certainly don't reflect anything less than barbaric land grabbing and if you want to argue over my semantic word choice kai I won't be bothered by it. Less than human, monsters, barbarians what ever the object of focus is the action itself.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
israel is a trinity of 3 gods

is = isis
ra = osirus
el = horus

Isis-Ra-El

Israel

the whole story is code
the 12/13 code

zodiacal
lunar
solar

jacob outsmarting the angel of god
esau
mannessah
messiah

the whole thing is code
let hymn with wisdom know the secret


2012 Forum • Help naME the thread i.e. The 11:11 Solution hatched on 4:20

so messiah/mannesah spoke in code saying he did so to prevent uninitiated from understanding

so from messiahs own mouth he tells that secrets are held by angels who
will never allow ordinary men to know the keys to empowerment

the secrets are about black magic
a gift from god

I feel much better now that we've taken a moment to clear that up. Thank you.
 
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HiddenDjinn

Well-Known Member
It's My Birthday!
What are you five?

Israel didn't even annex the territories and they were handed down from Jordanian control to that of the PLO. It is NOT Israeli land, don't let the barbaric colonist in you distort the facts.
Where control was handed to another group is absolutely irrelevant. By right of conquest, it's Israeli land. It was never ceded to another sovereign nation, and at the rate things are going, it never will be. Golan, too, is Israeli by right of conquest, and, if you didn't notice, Israel DID annex Golan.
 

kai

ragamuffin
What are you five?

Israel didn't even annex the territories and they were handed down from Jordanian control to that of the PLO. It is NOT Israeli land, don't let the barbaric colonist in you distort the facts. The fact it was under Jordanian control was not internationally recognized so "handing" it over to the PLO isnt exactly legitimate.

I disagree, certain actions make people less than human in my eyes, they are monsters. Not children certainly, but adults who opt to steal land and directly contribute to one of the biggest reasons peace cannot be achieved are disgusting. Adults settle and adopt or steal and settle on land since time began in fact is a human trait to actually think the land belongs to them.I suggest its not settlers but attitudes that are the biggest obsticle to peace attitudes like yours concerning who is less than human in fact.

I'm sorry but what exactly does it matter if I refer to Israeli colonists, we are discussing that particular subject are we not? Their actions certainly don't reflect anything less than barbaric land grabbing and if you want to argue over my semantic word choice kai I won't be bothered by it. Less than human, monsters, barbarians what ever the object of focus is the action itself.

Whatever Bismillah at least you have nailed your colours to the mast as they say
 

Bismillah

Submit
You are wrong but even if we go under the idiotic assumption that illegal colonization of land that is not annexed becomes Israeli land then...
By right of conquest, it's Israeli land.
I see, then that means every Palestinian is an Israeli citizen, stop supporting the subjugation of one ethnic group into camps and the seizure of their legal property.

The fact it was under Jordanian control was not internationally recognized so "handing" it over to the PLO isnt exactly legitimate.
Why wasn't it recognized...because they annexed it from the Palestinian people, giving it back would be bad how?

Adults settle and adopt or steal and settle on land since time began in fact is a human trait to actually think the land belongs to them.I suggest its not settlers but attitudes that are the biggest obsticle to peace attitudes like yours concerning who is less than human in fact.
I'm sorry but it is NOT a bad attitude to hold colonists in contempt. You read an American text book and tell me how many pages are devoted to the poor colonists killed by the Red man. Don't give me this crap kai, the only thing rotten is that Israel is the last country on the planet to sponsor colonization.
 

7he4uthor

Member
I feel much better now that we've taken a moment to clear that up. Thank you.

there is so much more

the natives in america have been in captivity how long?
and israel was to be captive how long?
and babylion how long ?
check mthe numbers.
i find no inequality
everybody has their moment of glory and sorrow

ppl are politicizing god
and failing to read/understand between the lines

the idea of whos right or wrong in a conflict is sooo ignorant
truely a sign of failure to see the code given freely to all

complaing of injustice ?
the complaints dept is closed
only the ignorant line up at the door
 
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kai

ragamuffin
Why wasn't it recognized...because they annexed it from the Palestinian people, giving it back would be bad how? There was no distinct Palestinian people then, the west bank was part of the proposed Arab territories and Jordan took it by force, they colonised it you could say by giving the Arabs there Jordanian citizenship. ( they revoked it later of course)

I'm sorry but it is NOT a bad attitude to hold colonists in contempt. You read an American text book and tell me how many pages are devoted to the poor colonists killed by the Red man. Don't give me this crap kai, the only thing rotten is that Israel is the last country on the planet to sponsor colonization.
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Red Man? come now ,dont you mean the Asiatic peoples that colonized the American continent before the coming of the Europeans?
 
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HiddenDjinn

Well-Known Member
It's My Birthday!
You are wrong but even if we go under the idiotic assumption that illegal colonization of land that is not annexed becomes Israeli land then... I see, then that means every Palestinian is an Israeli citizen, stop supporting the subjugation of one ethnic group into camps and the seizure of their legal property.
That is simple. Israel is not required to patriate those who are citizens of another country. When Israel took that land, the burden of resettling them fell on the nations whose armies retreated before the IDF. It is not Israel's responsibility. Jordan, Egypt, Syria, and Lebanon bear the responsibility of providing for the general welfare of their citizens, NOT Israel.

EDIT: I know I'm not the first to observe that in your text, anything that disagrees with you is "idiotic" or "stupid". In that sense, it's rather easy to dismiss your insults.
 
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Bismillah

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There was no distinct Palestinian people then, the west bank was part of the proposed Arab territories and Jordan took it by force, they colonised it you could say by giving the Arabs there Jordanian ciiznship. ( they revoked it later of course)
Palestinian people are a distinct group that can be traced back for millenia, they were always there. It's not colonisation if you give them citizenship and incorporate them into your country, how many Palestinians in the West Bank are citizens kai? And like I said giving it back to the Palestinians would be bad how?

Red Man? come now ,dont you mean the Asiatic peoples that colonized the American continent before the coming of the Europeans?
Who inhabited the land prior the crossing of the Bering Land Bridge?

Colonists and their sufferings are something that is dismissible given the reasons as to why they are killed in the first place.
 

Bismillah

Submit
That is simple. Israel is not required to patriate those who are citizens of another country.
You just said its Israeli land, then the people there are Israelis. Make up your mind.

When Israel took that land, the burden of resettling them fell on the nations whose armies retreated before the IDF.
Ahhhh you wish to take the land and eject its occupants. How disgusting of you.
 

HiddenDjinn

Well-Known Member
It's My Birthday!
Red Man? come now ,dont you mean the Asiatic peoples that colonized the American continent before the coming of the Europeans?
Didn't you know? Those "red men" were Muslim Arabs. They can't be colonists. Muslim Arabs can NEVER be colonists in the opinion of Bismillah.
 

HiddenDjinn

Well-Known Member
It's My Birthday!
You just said its Israeli land, then the people there are Israelis. Make up your mind.
The previous occupants are no longer entitled to conquered land. Their army lost. It's time for them to go.

Ahhhh you wish to take the land and eject its occupants. How disgusting of you.
Just like the Jordanians did to the Jews of Yesha in 1939.

EDIT: At least I'm not proposing to do what the "Palestinians" did to the Jews of Hebron in 1929.
 
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Bismillah

Submit
Like I said you are advocating racist Zionism based on the theory of aggressive expansion and for collective punishment and effective robbery. No need to comment further, I don't waste time on the mentally unhinged and amoral.

Good thing the rest of the world recognizes the disgusting manner of occupation, colonization, and explicitly attempts by Israel to ensure there never will be peace.
 

HiddenDjinn

Well-Known Member
It's My Birthday!
Like I said you are advocating racist Zionism based on the theory of aggressive expansion and for collective punishment and effective robbery. No need to comment further, I don't waste time on the mentally unhinged and amoral.
Grandstanding, ********, and hypocrisy...no need to address it.

Good thing the rest of the world recognizes the disgusting manner of occupation, colonization, and explicitly attempts by Israel to ensure there never will be peace.
While they hypocritically ignore the international rules of war that allow such, continue to do such themselves, and only lay blame when Israel makes use of land that was signed over to it, as evidenced by the texts of the treaties posted earlier in this topic.
 

kai

ragamuffin
Palestinian people are a distinct group that can be traced back for millenia, they were always there. It's not colonisation if you give them citizenship and incorporate them into your country, how many Palestinians in the West Bank are citizens kai?[/COLOR] And like I said giving it back to the Palestinians would be bad how? So Jordan can invade it and thats OK (i suppose their Human)? Giving it to Palestinians is fine by me as long as its not hijacked and turned into a missile launching pad.

Who inhabited the land prior the crossing of the Bering Land Bridge? No idea, who occupied Palestine at that particular time?

Colonists and their sufferings are something that is dismissible given the reasons as to why they are killed in the first place.



so the Israeli colonists are sub human the Arab colonists are human. I dont care who is a citizen of what really. Its all political, its the hatred i cant stand hatred stemming from indoctrination of people by stating that the other side is not quite human like us.


You dont get it do you? all of us are descended from colonists. we migrate and colonize land its what we do. My country has been colonised by Danes ,Saxons,Normans,Romans and yes--- all human.
 
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darkendless

Guardian of Asgaard
so the Israeli colonists are sub human the Arab colonists are human. I dont care who is a citizen of what really. Its all political, its the hatred i cant stand hatred stemming from indoctrination of people by stating that the other side is not quite human like us.

Hate and indocrination is the worst part of this whole thing. Both sides are so blatently arrogant and ignorant that neither side will admit it has ever done anything wrong. Sometimes the first step to peace is admiting faults.

Everything escalates in this territory because both sides are quick to come out swinging and blaming each other.
 

Rakhel

Well-Known Member
The Palestinians have been offered citizenship. Many times over. The problem with that is that it is Israeli citizenship. Their passports would say Israel. Not Palestine. And well gees, what Palestinian is going to defy their Syrian leaders by accepting Israeli citizenship?
 
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