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Islam is like a room full of words written on the wall but with no life, no spirit that speaks to the soul, it is a cold and hard religion, it lacks continuity. I'm not saying that Christianity does not suffer these same ills but at least in Christianity there are the echoes of truth and the assurance of the spirit to the soul that the truth can be found and that Christ is the necessary starting point. If religion were a maze and the goal was the presence of our creator then, regardless of the twists and turns and dead ends and backtracking, at least Christianity starts at the correct portal whereas Islam does not, dooming itself (I believe) to a dead end at every turn. Islamists always seem to be on the defensive never being able to rely soley on the tenants of their belief to sustain the organization and the participants therein.
Your point? You said that Islam has effectively conquered Judaism in its country of origin. I pointed out that the the government sports a Star of David on the flag, and not a crescent moon. There is still a strong Xian presence in Israel, too, although it's a minority. And Greece is still predominantly Xian. Therefore, your assertion is false. These religions have not been "conquered" by Islam.
Yeah. That's why Switzerland imposed a no-mosque ban and France has enacted a no-birka law. And why Muslims are encouraged to learn Arabic. The mosque didn't fit in with Swiss culture. The birka is not part of French culture. Keep right on digging your hole...
Is the American capital "Christian City?" I don't think so. If you're trying to suggest that the name "Islamabad" has nothing whatsoever to do with Islam, you're deluding yourself.
Take your own advice:
Be careful of throwing stones. The Muslim house has waaaaaay too much glass.
Yeah. We allow Easterners to come over here, learn stuff like engineering and pilotage at our institutions, using our resources. Then, just to thank us magnanimously, they return to the East to build bombs and chemical weapons. Then, just to put a cap on the "Thank you," they fly our airplanes into our buildings... I don't think the East really has a leg to stand on with the humanity issue.
Uh. o.k., fascinating. And what religion was the family you grew up in?
I'm not complaining. I'm explaining why some non-Muslims converted to Islam.
I didn't make any claims about what you inherited. I just asked what religion your parents were.
Yay, secular enlightenment! How much better the world will be after Islam goes through it as well.
No, I meant FIFY--fixed it for you. Islam conquered Palestine.
Yeah, Christianity is kind of weird. It makes sense to them though.
Ugh no "What a useless assertation when Islam quite effectively displaced Paganism, Christianity, Judaism, and Hinduism throughout the ages." Which is quite true as Christianity was effectively displaced from the Arabian Peninsula, Persia, North Africa within the early days of Islamic history.
Which is irrelevant given that the religion of the locality has traditionally been Islam except for the modern day creation of Israel and even then the number of Palestinians in Gaza and the W.B or "Judea and Samaria" match the numbers of Jews.
First a "Burqa" is Arab culture, specifically Saudi and not even within Islam itself. Secondly just because countries like to repress religion does not at all counter my statement that Islam is cultureless.
To read the Qur'an in its original language, however to think that based on this Islam promotes Arab culture one would have to be quite daft.
I am worried that you think the name for a Capital City has some impact over what a culture is. Do you understand what culture means?
Why don't you post something useful and show me how Islam is a "cultural expression".
And? That doesn't change the fact that your statement is rubbish.
Ah yes 9/11 was an isolated incident they hate us for our freedoms. How ignorant are you?
Just to be sure you read that prayer is an obligatory part of religion and you remember that I prayed twice a day?
And yet, your timescale is hundreds of years after my timescale. And it is further interesting that a great majority of non-Muslims welcomed Muslim rule.
Quite literally you stated that Muslims are born Muslim because of their families, that is inheritance. As I said, religion cannot be inherited.
Ah yes the West supports democracy, except when it doesn't.
You mean when the Byzantine Empire was overthrown and Jews were let back in Jerusalem and given rights along with Christians?
But it hasn't, as I pointed out. Xy is making a huge comeback in Africa, and Israel is still Jewish.
"Traditionally been Islam?" The place has been Jewish ever since. I have no idea what you're talking about! Judaism has always been present in Israel.
I guess that's why everyone's screaming that France is repressing religious expression...not Arab expression.
I guess that's why a lot of Muslim women have to wear veils...
The name of the capital is a pretty good indicator of the predominant culture.
You should ask yourself that question.
It's a religion, isn't it?
Prove it. All you've managed to do so far is to spout some vaguely faux-patriotic propaganda about Islam.
Uh huh. Isolated. I guess "isolated" translates to the first WTC incident, and all the various foiled terrorist attempts since, the prevalence of "madrasas" that indoctrinate young boys and teach them terrorist tactics, the continuing hate acts by al qaeda, the mowing down of innocent embassy personnel, and threats of violence against people who plaster the name "muhammed" on teddy bears."
What's illegal is harboring the terrorists that attacked the US.
Which is why we spend so much time and money expediting surgical strikes to minimize civilian casualties, rather than blithely blowing up buildings filled with them. It's also why we legislate women's rights instead of keeping them subjugated. It's also why we provide the rights and the technology that make forums like this possible for you to broadcast your views.
Do you understand what you are even arguing, I think you lost track. I stated that Islam displaced those religions that came under its domain, taking about Greece or Western Africa is wasting my time.
Compare the number of Jews living in Palestine prior to the creation of Israel and the number of Muslims all the way back to the defeat of Byzantine rule.
Do you have any other fallacies that you would like to use? Obviously the law is targeting Islam, even if the article is a Burqa, given French conduct and attitude towards Muslims it is clear what the intentions are. But again you divert the topic.
Prior to Islam the veil was not widespread and only found among the wealthiest of women, you are just reinforcing my points.
The predominant culture? Do you understand what culture is? It is FOOD, LANGUAGE, DRESS. It is a fourth grade concept, do you wish for me to elaborate how it is possible to inherit Pakistani culture and not Islam?
Clearly culture does not equate with religion, at least in Islam. That is my entire point, if you cannot bear yourself to be marginally relevant and address that point that is not my problem.
It's not "a" religion, I could care less how intrinsically related other religions are with certain cultures, I am talking about Islam.
half a million starving Iraqi children as a collective punishment of the Iraqi people for a dictator they couldn't control.
Perhaps you were unable to detect my sarcasm, the actions of 9/11 were carried out for nationalistic reasons given Americas involvement in the Muslim world for decades by people who weren't even particularly religious.
They offered Bin Laden. What's illegal is drone strikes in Pakistan that kill as many civilians every year as those that died in 9/11. Good going champ.
Such euphemisms won't hide the innocent number of civilians killed for in illegal war over oil.
No you just slowly poison an entire country with depleted Uranium rounds.
That's interesting why is there billions in military deals and aide between the Saudi government and the U.S?
Do you understand what you even said? You said:
But that's simply not true. Xy was gone from Israel before the Muslims showed up, so Islam didn't displace Xy there. It hasn't yet displaced Xy in Greece. Or Europe. or the Western hemisphere. Islam (though it has tried mightily) has never displaced Judaism from Israel. I have yet to see more Muslims than Hindi in India. The only places Islam has "displaced" Xy is in north Africa and Asia Minor. Heck, even Spain (strongly Xian) tossed the Moops out on their ears... I don't think that qualifies as "quite effectively." Even remotely.
Again, displacement implies movement away from. This doesn't represent displacement. What it does represent is a higher degree of tolerance on the part of Judaism to continue to allow Muslims to live in their country, despite the refusal of Muslim countries to even recognize Israel's sovereignty and their continuous attempts to take over the country.
OK. Stop evading, as you have done with Auto: Are the traditional dress and the mosque (which are mandated by the religion) religious trappings or Arabic cultural trappings?
Thank you. That must mean, then, that the veil is a religious trapping, worn by women to show that they are, in fact, Muslim. Therefore, it creates something that is uniquely religious and is, therefore, by definition a cultural symbol. Thanks for finally clarifying that.
2nd verse, same as the first. A little bit louder and a little bit worse.
Which article do you prefer to use? "The?" Islam is "the" religion? Now the True Colors are shown. Thank you. I suppose that's why Muslims living in France insist on wearing stuff that isn't French. And that's why they insist on building things in Switzerland that are not Swiss. Because "Islam has no culture of its own." Islam comes in, forces cultural changes, hoping to "displace" other religions, and, I might add, crowing about it when that happens. Let me ask you this: How many mosques were there in Northern Africa before Islam moved in? Hah? Islam won't be happy until the whole world is wearing sheets and broadcasting Arabic over loudspeakers mounted on towers.
and **what** religion was Saddam Hussein? Hmmm? And that's our fault ... how, again?
Which nation? Saudi? Qatar? Kuwait? Syria? Jordan? Lebanon? Libya? Iran? Which? This wasn't "nationalism," because it wasn't carried out by a "nation." And I don't see how you can say they weren't religious, since most of the people in those organizations were educated in religious schools, being taught the "religious" principles of hate.
They harbored al qaeda. Remember the scud missiles? And the civilian killing that went on under Saddam Hussein? Yah.
I have no idea what you're talking about. We were doing just fine until al qaeda and the Taliban came along.
I notice you live in Arizona. Whose side are you on? Perhaps you'd prefer if some airliners crashed into your home... This is an open country. Hopefully it will always remain so. No one's forcing you in or out...
I suppose the "way the world works" is to move into an area, force your religion and your culture on them, and pretend that said religion is the "only real religion." Yes, Xy did that. We learned our lesson. When will Islam learn its lesson?
Look I will repeat it once more as plainly as I can put it. Auto was babbling about how Muslims inherited their religion. Islam was born in a Pagan heartland with large numbers of Christians and Jews. They also displaced Judaism from Israel until the Balfour Declaration which forcefully ejected its inhabitants so as to add another Jewish demographic (even though you ignore Judea and Samaria which have as many Palestinians as there are Israelis). I wasn't referencing anything close to Europe or their armed wars with Islam, that is completely irrelevant. Stick with what matters.
Pretty sure since 900 C.E there have been more Muslism than Jews in Israel and even today they are evenly matched. And no, Muslims are not welcome in their country that much is obvious, unless you want to show me how much they want a one state solution LOL.
Evading? I am glad you finally addressed the point.
Bismillah said:
Bismillah said:
False, the concept of a veil was a rejection of Arab culture. Furthermore today's "veil" differs vastly if you think a Pakistani dhipatta is the same thing as an Irani chador, or Saudi Burqa you are mistaken.
Here's a great clue, boys and girls. He said "domain." Dominate. Get it?
Islam is so caught up in politics that it's difficult to separate the two. In that sense, it is cultural in the extreme. Fine. Pick up your marbles and go home. Better than than more evasion with cryptic posts and what comes off as a superlative attitude on your part.
