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No one religion can be correct
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AirRicky18
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The popular objection to religion that it's unfair to be told we'll go to hell if we don't believe, is far too shallow of one. Even religionists usually don't affirm that. And the only people who would are likely new believers who don't know jack about their religion, and enjoyed the fuzzy feelings they got over THERE.
Whilst I question and generally do not get involved with religion, that objection rarely is one of my reasons for staying away. I don't even try to stay away, because I don't have a part of me that's looking for religion either.
Some new age interpreation like EnhancedSpirit says is already a decent secular cooperation with what the Bible teaches. Remember that the Bible has outdated language, and their context and "slang" is much different than ours. Try to intuit what humans back then were really saying..
Whilst I question and generally do not get involved with religion, that objection rarely is one of my reasons for staying away. I don't even try to stay away, because I don't have a part of me that's looking for religion either.
Some new age interpreation like EnhancedSpirit says is already a decent secular cooperation with what the Bible teaches. Remember that the Bible has outdated language, and their context and "slang" is much different than ours. Try to intuit what humans back then were really saying..
I would just like to quickly respond to your views that "no one religion can absolutely be correct. " I agree. You only have to look at past war history and persecutions relating to religious beliefs. Furthermore, our present world is indicative of religious confusion and
misinterpretation of what is required of us.
Confusion is caused by mankind's interpretation of Devine words. You seem to take it literally that there is a heaven and hell. What if these words are mere metaphors ?
I believe each individual will be judged by their action here on earth no matter their position. I also believe that the true religion lies not in a church but is free and has no boundaries. It does not exclude others. It will be the one that unites all people as one.
When people let go of their religion and racial differences we will all be one. The will be peace on earth. There will exist a heaven on earth. God's Kingdom promotes peace
not destruction. The truth will settle any confusion that has caused so much turmoil.
What would happen if no religion had a name and we all strived to be God's people
living as one like it used to be before there was division?
misinterpretation of what is required of us.
Confusion is caused by mankind's interpretation of Devine words. You seem to take it literally that there is a heaven and hell. What if these words are mere metaphors ?
I believe each individual will be judged by their action here on earth no matter their position. I also believe that the true religion lies not in a church but is free and has no boundaries. It does not exclude others. It will be the one that unites all people as one.
When people let go of their religion and racial differences we will all be one. The will be peace on earth. There will exist a heaven on earth. God's Kingdom promotes peace
not destruction. The truth will settle any confusion that has caused so much turmoil.
What would happen if no religion had a name and we all strived to be God's people
living as one like it used to be before there was division?
EnhancedSpirit
High Priestess
The only true religion is LOVE. All others are paths leading to this divine truth. God, Christ and the Holy Spirit do not care which religion or spiritual path you follow to get there as long as you do it!The Truth said:Simply if you don't want to believe in a religion so just enjoy in this life and don't worry about it but after you die you will pay the price in the hereafter when you stand in front of God.
That's all.
Christ is the pattern! Christ is the highest potential spiritual pattern, matrix, or blueprint of the perfected Son or Daughter of God. That is why the Universal Mind through Cayce said, Jesus is the man and Christ is the pattern! So each person has a choice as to the form of Christ they want to become! You can become a Christian Christ, a Buddhist Christ, an Islamic Christ, a Krishna Christ, a Taoist or Confucian Christ, a Melchizedek Christ, a Metatronic Christ, a Mahatma Christ, but all paths lead to God, Christ and the Holy Spirit. This understanding is the great blind spot of this world we live in! God, Christ and the Holy Spirit are a nondenominational concept! It is just a living reality all souls throughout creation on all planets, solar systems, galaxies, and universes are striving to realize!
chuck010342
Active Member
Jensa said:
it provides evidence that even if you are born in a culture that is relativistic doesn't mean that you become relativistic.
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
The fact that human beings use religion as an excuse for some pretty horrendous behavior doesn't really have a thing to do with whether one religion can be absolutely correct or not.Katalina said:
That would be very nice. But when, may I ask, was this time you speak of when God's people were "living as one, like it used to be"?
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
And since all of these paths are paths devised by mere mortals, how can we be so sure that they all end up leading to the same place? May I ask what makes you so certain that God doesn't care what we believe? It seems to me that it would be rather important to Him that we know the truth.EnhancedSpirit said:
Fascist Christ
Active Member
I contest. Since the material world is logical, I feel that all forces acting upon it, and any deity associated with such forces, must also be logical. It is one thing to say that there is something we do not yet know, but to say such things are illogical sounds more like an objection to new ideas that make more sense but contradict the traditional mindset.EnhancedSpirit said:
Enchanced Spirit: What about religions like Islam that specifically reject the divinity of Christ? Aren't you basically just saying that all good people go to heaven? Does one have to follow a religion at all to go to heaven?
The problem with abandoning logic as a means to examine faith is that our logic is God-given. If God gave us logic and reasoning and then expected us to go against it, God would pretty much be an *******.
Furthermore, this speaks to my point that people often do make decisions of faith based upon logic, and whether that is the right thing to do or not, they do it. This does not make them bad people. In fact, I would go so far as to say what religion you choose has little or no bearing on how good of a person you become. So unless you believe that good people go to hell, religion can have nothing to do with how a person is judged in the hereafter.
The standard Christian response is that all people are inherently fallen and sinful because we all sinned when Eve and Adam sinned, and because God is perfect and can have nothing to do with sin, the standard to get into heaven is perfection and the only way to do this is by accepting Jesus Christ. However, human beings were created inherently imperfect, and for God to make the standard something which goes against our very nature would just be wrong. It would be analogous to creating a person with a gimp leg and expecting them to be able to run fast, and when they can't do that you torture them for eternity.
Another response is that human beings were, in fact, created perfect and that we ruined that perfection through original sin. But how can a perfect being sin? That goes against the definition of perfection. Maybe we were near perfect, but we weren't perfect. Some people say that to love, one must be able to hate and we were given free will, and thus it was a 'sin.' Aside from the fact that this completely ignores the first argument (that a truly perfect being could commit no sin), I would say that this is also false. Just look at babies. Capable of love, incapable of hate.
If you believe that if a person does not accept your religion then they will go to hell, you must also believe that rejecting your religion makes them a bad person in some way (they must be rejecting it because of something evil within them, or else it would just be a logical decision and that would not be worthy of hell.) But people do have logical, heartfelt, and emotional reasons for rejecting all faiths, and objectively, there is no correlation between how good a person is in this life and what religion they choose. There are good people in all faiths, and unless you believe that good people go to hell, religion can have nothing to do with whether or not a person goes to heaven. If I could just 'ask my heart' and find the true religion, I would gladly do so. But I know in my heart that any religion that says I have to practice it to get to heaven is just wrong, because I know that believing in or practicing a particular religion doesn't make anyone a better person, because circumstance plays such a large role in what religion people choose.
To me, it is sick and twisted to believe that good people go to hell just because they don't accept a particular religion. Therefore, I reject any religion that says this. Apparently, that makes me worthy of hell.
The problem with abandoning logic as a means to examine faith is that our logic is God-given. If God gave us logic and reasoning and then expected us to go against it, God would pretty much be an *******.
Furthermore, this speaks to my point that people often do make decisions of faith based upon logic, and whether that is the right thing to do or not, they do it. This does not make them bad people. In fact, I would go so far as to say what religion you choose has little or no bearing on how good of a person you become. So unless you believe that good people go to hell, religion can have nothing to do with how a person is judged in the hereafter.
The standard Christian response is that all people are inherently fallen and sinful because we all sinned when Eve and Adam sinned, and because God is perfect and can have nothing to do with sin, the standard to get into heaven is perfection and the only way to do this is by accepting Jesus Christ. However, human beings were created inherently imperfect, and for God to make the standard something which goes against our very nature would just be wrong. It would be analogous to creating a person with a gimp leg and expecting them to be able to run fast, and when they can't do that you torture them for eternity.
Another response is that human beings were, in fact, created perfect and that we ruined that perfection through original sin. But how can a perfect being sin? That goes against the definition of perfection. Maybe we were near perfect, but we weren't perfect. Some people say that to love, one must be able to hate and we were given free will, and thus it was a 'sin.' Aside from the fact that this completely ignores the first argument (that a truly perfect being could commit no sin), I would say that this is also false. Just look at babies. Capable of love, incapable of hate.
If you believe that if a person does not accept your religion then they will go to hell, you must also believe that rejecting your religion makes them a bad person in some way (they must be rejecting it because of something evil within them, or else it would just be a logical decision and that would not be worthy of hell.) But people do have logical, heartfelt, and emotional reasons for rejecting all faiths, and objectively, there is no correlation between how good a person is in this life and what religion they choose. There are good people in all faiths, and unless you believe that good people go to hell, religion can have nothing to do with whether or not a person goes to heaven. If I could just 'ask my heart' and find the true religion, I would gladly do so. But I know in my heart that any religion that says I have to practice it to get to heaven is just wrong, because I know that believing in or practicing a particular religion doesn't make anyone a better person, because circumstance plays such a large role in what religion people choose.
To me, it is sick and twisted to believe that good people go to hell just because they don't accept a particular religion. Therefore, I reject any religion that says this. Apparently, that makes me worthy of hell.
there is one channel that is being used for accurate understanding about Gods word the bible but we have to seek it out , it is the faithful slave spoken of in matthew 24;45-47 seek and you will find
(Isaiah 55:6) Search for Jehovah, YOU people, while he may be found. Call to him while he proves to be near
(Psalm 145:18) Jehovah is near to all those calling upon him, To all those who call upon him in trueness
(Psalm 25:9) He will cause the meek ones to walk in [his] judicial decision, And he will teach the meek ones his way
Nevertheless, seek continually his kingdom, and these things will be added to YOU...luke 12;31
(Matthew 6:33) "Keep on, then, seeking first the kingdom and his righteousness, and all these [other] things will be added to YOU
(Isaiah 55:6) Search for Jehovah, YOU people, while he may be found. Call to him while he proves to be near
(Psalm 145:18) Jehovah is near to all those calling upon him, To all those who call upon him in trueness
(Psalm 25:9) He will cause the meek ones to walk in [his] judicial decision, And he will teach the meek ones his way
Nevertheless, seek continually his kingdom, and these things will be added to YOU...luke 12;31
(Psalm 34:10) The maned young lions themselves have had little on hand and gone hungry; But as for those seeking Jehovah, they will not lack anything good.
(Isaiah 33:16) He is the one that will reside on the heights themselves; his secure height will be craggy places difficult to approach. His own bread will certainly be given [him]; his water supply will be unfailing."
(Matthew 6:33) "Keep on, then, seeking first the kingdom and his righteousness, and all these [other] things will be added to YOU
What is more important is what you think. I thought this might be an opportunity for you to explain what Moslem preachers teach about the route to Paradise.The Truth said:
Do you believe that both devout Moslems and all other faiths will join you in Paradise? Or do you get taught that it is necessary to be Moslem to achieve that?
EnhancedSpirit
High Priestess
Hell is not a place, it is a state of being. It's like saying "i'm going crazy". You are not physically going somewhere, but being crazy is an altered state of mind. Hell is an altered state of spirit.Merlin said:
Fascist Christ
Active Member
So what about people like me, who reject any and all sacred texts? If we will not seek understanding through the bible or the quran or anything else like that, does that mean that we are doomed?may said:
EnhancedSpirit
High Priestess
I turned away from the church and all it's contradictions, I studied many religions, and they all seemed just a little out of whack. Science and nature where the only thing I believed in. But science taught me to search for patterns, and there is a clear pattern of truth that lies with all religions. If you seek proof of God, he will present you with the proof you desire. However, we each percieve miracles our own way, so it will always be a one on one thing, very personal. If you want to know the truth, you shall find the truth, if you simply choose not to remember the truth, that is your choice.Fascist Christ said: