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is this the reason of the historic pullout from Gaza???

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Jayhawker Soule

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As taken from Haaretz

MI: Gaza escalation has weakened Hamas' standing​

The past week's flare-up in the territories has done serious "strategic damage" to Hamas, in the view of Israeli Military Intelligence. MI officers believe that the firing of dozens of Qassam rockets at Sderot and the kidnapping and murder of Sasson Nuriel in Ramallah have only bolstered Israel's case against Hamas contesting Palestinian parliamentary elections until it disarms.

A senior military source told Haaretz that in his opinion the Hamas leaders had been wrong in their judgment all week. The mistakes began with the Hamas' insistence on holding a military parade with a lot of explosives in a densely populated part of Jebalyah, continued with the negligence that caused an explosion in which 19 Palestinians were killed, and culminated with the decision to lie to the Palestinian public, blame Israel for the explosion and start firing rockets at Sderot.

When Hamas leaders realized the damage incurred to them in Palestinian public opinion, they said they would stop firing the rockets, despite the fact that this was seen as surrendering to Israel.


Nuriel's abduction caused the Hamas further damage. The video cassette showing a bound Nuriel strengthened the Hamas' image as a terrorist organization that acts like al-Qaida in Iraq, just when the Hamas is making efforts to get itself off the list of terror organizations. MI sources say that Israel's retaliation to the shelling of Sderot has so far been accepted by the world with understanding.

The IDF believes the Hamas was pushed into a corner this week, and its maneuvering space has reduced just when it seemed that it was going to capitalize on Israel's pullout from the strip.

The MI's conclusion, which fits in with the cabinet's position, is that Israel must keep pressuring the Hamas. As long as the Qassam fire does not cease completely - the last shooting to date was Tuesday evening - the IDF must continue its air strikes and roundups of dozens of Hamas and Islamic Jihad activists in the West Bank.

Although it is doubtful whether Hamas can be disarmed, Israel expects that the organization will soon have to decide whether to stop its attacks or be renounced in the political arena.

This dilemma is already raising an internal debate in Hamas. Its Gaza Strip leadership is under pressure both from the public objection to the renewed fighting with Israel and from Israel's threats to assassinate Hamas leaders. The organization's Damascus leadership is taking a harder line, due to Syrian President Bashar Assad's expectation that the Palestinians resume terror acts.

The MI expect the Hamas, at least in the Gaza Strip, to start restraining its military wing.

Major General Yisrael Ziv, head of the IDF Operations Branch, threatened yesterday that Israel would turn Beit Hanoun into a "demilitarized zone" if any Qassam rockets are fired from there into Israel. Ziv said the IDF will allow no more terror attacks from the Strip even if it has to shoot artillery shells into populated areas to stop it.​
 

HOGCALLER

Active Member
The Truth,

Obviously none of the three so-called “great religions” that claim to “believe in” at least some part of the Bible actually do!!

Psalm 37:8-11:
8 Let anger alone and leave rage;
Do not show yourself heated up only to do evil.
9 For evildoers themselves will be cut off,
But those hoping in Jehovah are the ones that will possess the earth.
10 And just a little while longer, and the wicked one will be no more;
And you will certainly give attention to his place, and he will not be.
11 But the meek ones themselves will possess the earth,
And they will indeed find their exquisite delight in the abundance of peace.

Matthew 5:5: Happy are the mild-tempered ones, since they will inherit the earth.

Isaiah 2:2-4: And it must occur in the final part of the days [that] the mountain of the house of Jehovah will become firmly established above the top of the mountains, and it will certainly be lifted up above the hills; and to it all the nations must stream. 3 And many peoples will certainly go and say: “Come, you people, and let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will instruct us about his ways, and we will walk in his paths.” For out of Zion law will go forth, and the word of Jehovah out of Jerusalem. 4 And he will certainly render judgment among the nations and set matters straight respecting many peoples. And they will have to beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning shears. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, neither will they learn war anymore.

Micah 4:1-5: And it must occur in the final part of the days [that] the mountain of the house of Jehovah will become firmly established above the top of the mountains, and it will certainly be lifted up above the hills; and to it peoples must stream. 2 And many nations will certainly go and say: “Come, you people, and let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will instruct us about his ways, and we will walk in his paths.” For out of Zion law will go forth, and the word of Jehovah out of Jerusalem. 3 And he will certainly render judgment among many peoples, and set matters straight respecting mighty nations far away. And they will have to beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning shears. They will not lift up sword, nation against nation, neither will they learn war anymore. 4 And they will actually sit, each one under his vine and under his fig tree, and there will be no one making [them] tremble; for the very mouth of Jehovah of armies has spoken [it].
5 For all the peoples, for their part, will walk each one in the name of its god; but we, for our part, shall walk in the name of Jehovah our God to time indefinite, even forever.

Luke 6:27-36: “But I say to you who are listening, Continue to love your enemies, to do good to those hating you, 28 to bless those cursing you, to pray for those who are insulting you. 29 To him that strikes you on the one cheek, offer the other also; and from him that takes away your outer garment, do not withhold even the undergarment. 30 Give to everyone asking you, and from the one taking your things away do not ask [them] back.
31 “Also, just as you want men to do to you, do the same way to them.
32 “And if you love those loving you, of what credit is it to you? For even the sinners love those loving them. 33 And if you do good to those doing good to you, really of what credit is it to you? Even the sinners do the same. 34 Also, if you lend [without interest] to those from whom you hope to receive, of what credit is it to you? Even sinners lend [without interest] to sinners that they may get back as much. 35 To the contrary, continue to love your enemies and to do good and to lend [without interest], not hoping for anything back; and you reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, because he is kind toward the unthankful and wicked. 36 Continue becoming merciful, just as you Father is merciful.

Matthew 26:52-53: Then Jesus said to him: “Return your sword to its place, for all those who take the sword will perish by the sword. 53 Or do you think that I cannot appeal to my Father to supply me at this moment more than twelve legions of angels?

2 Timothy 2:24: But a slave of the Lord does not need to fight, but needs to be gentle toward all, . . .

Ephesians 6:12: For we are not fighting against people made of flesh and blood, but against the evil rulers and authorities of the unseen world, against those mighty powers of darkness who rule this world, and against wicked spirits in the heavenly realms.

2 Corinthians 4:4: The god who rules this world has blinded the minds of unbelievers. They cannot see the light, which is the good news about our glorious Christ, who shows what God is like.

1 John 5:19: . . . the whole world is lying in the [power of the] wicked one.

Revelation 12:9, 12: So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him. . . . Woe for the earth and for the sea, because the Devil has come down to you, having great anger, knowing he has a short period of time.

ALL follow the emotional lead of their God/god!! If anger is being displayed by any so-called believer toward another, any other, and for any reason, who really is his god?

John 13:34-35: I am giving you a new commandment, that you love one another; just as I have loved you, that you also love one another. 35 By this all will know that you are my disciples, if you have love among yourselves.”

John 3:16: God loved the people of this world so much that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who has faith in him will have eternal life and never really die.

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basem

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What ever Israel did and still doing they will never stop the Qassams and other mojaheden from fighting for their freedom and land and pulling from Gaza proves to everyone that its palestinian land not jews and today Gaza tommorrow the rest of palestine.

The jews should know one thing that Palesine is not your home your home is where you grand fathers came from the west and europe and we are the muslims and arabs we know how the jews took our lands and what is their plan for the future and the biggest one is HaramJudon war have you heard of it guys???

Killing Ahamad Yassen and others and hitting Gaza and do terrorist activities by the israelies will never weak us but it will make us much stronger and will make others join to fight and fight....I can say now that we won the Gaza battle and after the celebration israel decided to start this battle again and there is no problem at all because we have been fighting for hundereds of years and we know our enemies very well but our enemies don't know us and we also know the land much better than our enemies because is it ours....OUR LAND.

Thank You
 

Pah

Uber all member
basem said:
What ever Israel did and still doing they will never stop the Qassams and other mojaheden from fighting for their freedom and land and pulling from Gaza proves to everyone that its palestinian land not jews and today Gaza tommorrow the rest of palestine.

The jews should know one thing that Palesine is not your home your home is where you grand fathers came from the west and europe and we are the muslims and arabs we know how the jews took our lands and what is their plan for the future and the biggest one is HaramJudon war have you heard of it guys???

Killing Ahamad Yassen and others and hitting Gaza and do terrorist activities by the israelies will never weak us but it will make us much stronger and will make others join to fight and fight....I can say now that we won the Gaza battle and after the celebration israel decided to start this battle again and there is no problem at all because we have been fighting for hundereds of years and we know our enemies very well but our enemies don't know us and we also know the land much better than our enemies because is it ours....OUR LAND.

Thank You
In your boastful pride, I think you neglect so much. Gaze will never develop the industry to support itself. It was barren before Isreal could claim IT'S homeland and will be barren again now that it won concessions.

Your beligerence sickens me and most of the world.
 

Pah

Uber all member
basem said:
YOu should know that if Israel leave the arabs alone we will live a better life
Why don't I trust that coming from someone who is prepared to fight, fight
 

basem

Member
Who is the one prepared to fight????

The answer is both sides, but why???

The jews were prepared to fight to take over lands and kill their people and claim the Israel State

The Muslims & Arabs were prepared to fight to defend our lands, and people and live our life the way we want not the way the west and Israel want....Israel big plan is to take over labanon, Jordan and syrian and plus palesine and parts from iraq and saudi and egypt that;s the big plan beside the Harmajudon war.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
basem said:
YOu should know that if Israel leave the arabs alone we will live a better life
Basem, you seem to think all right is on one side, and all wrong is on the other. With a mindset like that, how do you expect peace?
 

jewscout

Religious Zionist
basem said:
....Israel big plan is to take over labanon, Jordan and syrian and plus palesine and parts from iraq and saudi and egypt that;s the big plan beside the Harmajudon war.
wow! ok, where the deuce did this come from???:areyoucra
 

basem

Member
I expect peace when we get back:
Golan Heights
Palestine
South Lebanon
Its our land those people came and they killed our people and they took it from us and they claimed the Israel state and if we leave our land do you call that peace.

Thank you
 

basem

Member
Jewscout may be until now you don't believe that the fifth spuerpower in the world lost to a group of fighters who fight for their land and freedom with basic weapons. vbmenu_register("postmenu_242188", true);
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
basem said:
I expect peace when we get back:
Golan Heights
Palestine
South Lebanon
Its our land those people came and they killed our people and they took it from us and they claimed the Israel state and if we leave our land do you call that peace.

Thank you
I think that so long as those are your demands, you will never see peace.
 

basem

Member
Ok sunstone why???

isn't the Golan Syrian Land
Palesinte is for Palestinians
South Lebanon is for Labanon so what is the problem???
Peace is possible but Jews don't want peace.

Thanks
 

The Black Whirlwind

Well-Known Member
greatcalgarian said:
http://www.palestinefacts.org/

Please read more about the enemy you hated so much. Perhaps with more understanding of your enemy, your hatred and anger may subside, and you may become a peaceful man leading a happier life. God bless.
the hamas militants need to stop their cowardly attacks, they do not deserve mercy. I already live a happy life, i dont see how my hatred of civilian-bombing cowards would affect that. The anger will never subside until i see HAMAS broken.
 

jewscout

Religious Zionist
basem said:
Jewscout may be until now you don't believe that the fifth spuerpower in the world lost to a group of fighters who fight for their land and freedom with basic weapons. vbmenu_register("postmenu_242188", true);
Fifth superpower? Israel a superpower?

basem, the pullout was done for logistical and security purposes and for the slim hope of peace...but it would appear that you, sadly, would rather see the streets run red:( ...even many of the palestinians are tired of this senseless violence and want peace with Israel
 

basem

Member
The Jedi
Hamas started to fight against Jews because of the israeli terrorist activities against the palestinians. When hamas started to fight they had nothing but knifes and stones but israel had weapons and technology.

Jewscout
If isreal is the superpower they should be ashame of them selves, and they never pulledout of Gaza for security purposes but they run away from the Hamas rockets and childern rocks.
 
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