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I know exactly what you mean, and I cannot deny that part of it is emotion - Love and non judgementalism for another human being. I know that 'God works in mysterious ways', but I cannot (could not) visualize a Loving God denying a section of humanity a sense of fulfillment in a loving relationship by deniying them the physical demonstration of their love.:help:Victor said:
But can't you see how random and subjective feelings are? Where will you stop? How is that any different then lets say an adult an child who Love each other? Is there Love not worthy? I know you hate that I use that as an example but what's the difference but maturity and intelligence (In which Love does not play a role in).michel said:
The homosexual problem is what drove me from Christianity in the first place. However, it is possible to interpret the passages of the Bible that people feel condemn homosexuality, as not condeming homosexuality. It seems rational to me that the people who translated and interpreted the Bible originally, did not like gay people and so translated and interpreted these passages accordingly. Had this not been the case, the homosexual problem would not exist.
Remember that the Bible is merely a collection of books that are pretty much unrelated (from author to author) beyond the fact that the early Church decided to bind them together into one big book. Jesus never mentions the Bible (he couldn't). The Bible never mentions the Bible (it can't). The only reason you have for feeling uneasy about rejecting some bits and accepting others is if you believe that the reasoning of these men was totally correct. That their exclusion of some texts and inclusion of others was the work of God and not for any other reason.
i'm sorry michel, this thread is to help you, but i can't let this slide unchallenged - the two cases are unbelievably different, you cannot heep sexual morality into one simple basket of "sex in hetrosexual marriage is right, all else is wrong"Victor said:
Out of curiosity, does Jesus say to follow the "ten" commandments, or the commandments?
kid not old enough or mature enough to committ to a sexual relationship with anyone, whereas two adult, loving homosexuals can - i see no comparison between the two casesVictor said:
i doubt he'd be the only one :biglaugh: ..... or she for that matterVictor said:
, let alone the significance of each of them! my advice, keep an open mind, ask questions, listen to answers, and see where you end up:jiggy:
Exactly. In my opinion it is illogical to accept the Bible in its entirety, and therefore, also illogical to accept any of it at all. Michel, like a lot of Christians, seems to be choosing only the parts that make sense to him, and I think that's at least better than also accepting the misogynistic parts. Whether or not this is cool with his God--I wouldn't know. Too bad God doesn't have a customer service number.Meesheltx said:
The ten commandments was the bases for the law of the jews.scitsofreaky said:
The very fact that we are forced to render our private judgment in favor of one of the thousands of competing Christian groups is a sad legacy of the Reformation. I do not believe it is a decision that God ever intended for us to have to make.we christians disagree on a lot of things, i mean, hello, we can't even agree on how many sacraments there are
Guess what? Sorry...that line is out of order. Please hang-up and try again...Dentonz said:
Why not? Even if a person is born gay that is something they have to work out between them and God. Everybody has some kind of sin in their life that they have to deal with.corrupt_priest said:
Just earlier today I prayed that God would give me the chance to tell someone about his love. And here you are. Wow! God answers prayer.Faint said:
Well here is the thing, christians think of the ten commandments as "the" commandments, but, as jewscout has just informed me, there are 613 commandments (although apparently 200 aren't applicable because there is no temple). Since it doesn't ever say specifically, why don't you (any christian) follow the 413 commandments?Dentonz said:
Okay, Michael, I'm feeling really stupid here. Obviously, you've posted your viewpoints on homosexuality on this forum before, but somehow I've missed those posts, so I'm really not sure what you're getting at here. But, whatever they are, I can't imagine your feeling that you can't continue to call yourself a Christian because you can't go along with every single solitary "Christian" teaching. To begin with, as you have pointed out, there are so many different "brands" of Christianity that if you agree with every point of doctrine that one denomination teaches, you will undoubtedly end up disagreeing with the teachings of a number of other denominations. By that reasoning, none of us could call ourselves Christians. I know I'm not going to stop calling myself a Christian just because I don't accept the doctrine of the Trinity! And that's a very basic doctrine where most Christians are concerned.michel said:
Jesus was talking to the scribes and Pharisees in Matt 15:7-9scitsofreaky said: