Caution: Homosexuality Dangerous to Health

":Let me just get on the record here as being a devout Christian who has absolutely no problem with homosexuality. It seems as though the Christian side of this debate has been woefully skewed anti-gay. God and Jesus teach tolerance of others, and love. How can homosexual love or sex as a physical expression of that love be condemned, if they merely come from love and commitment to another human being? "

good for you. i have plenty of christian friends who have nothing against love.

" I don't hate them. But their behavior should never be normalized and I think that's their agenda."

whats your definition of normal? something commonplace? then its obvious that homosexuality is not normal/commonplace. around 1/3 of all people have same sex tendencies, whether they are out of the closet or not. this also includes a lot of confused folk too (clair in Six Feet Under). its normal to be confused or experimenting, its part of being a human and discovering yourself and sexuality.

"I find it wrong to force churches to marry homosexual couples."

hey hey. no one is forcing churches. we are forcing the gov't to accept these relationships valid. because they are.

" I find it wrong to mandate that private business MUST hire people who don't reflect the values that a private business was founded on. I find it wrong to force private hotels to accomodate individuals and groups that do not reflect the values of the owners."

what are those values? you cannot sleep with your own gender? private businesses were founded on sex? wow, what buisness is that?

even as a lifestyle, gays are not much different from straights. of course this can be argued. but we are all just humans looking to make a living. whats wrong with that?

i can see, littlenipper, that you are confusing homosexuality with prostitution and just sleeping around. thats quite impossible, being that all sex is neither moral or immoral, being amoral, dependent on the certain circumstances of how two partners use it.

Gerani1248 said:

"I find it wrong to force churches to marry homosexual couples."

hey hey. no one is forcing churches. we are forcing the gov't to accept these relationships valid. because they are.

" I find it wrong to mandate that private business MUST hire people who don't reflect the values that a private business was founded on. I find it wrong to force private hotels to accomodate individuals and groups that do not reflect the values of the owners."

what are those values? you cannot sleep with your own gender? private businesses were founded on sex? wow, what buisness is that?

even as a lifestyle, gays are not much different from straights. of course this can be argued. but we are all just humans looking to make a living. whats wrong with that?

i can see, littlenipper, that you are confusing homosexuality with prostitution and just sleeping around. thats quite impossible, being that all sex is neither moral or immoral, being amoral, dependent on the certain circumstances of how two partners use it.

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Who are (WE)? What makes "ANY" relationship valid? There was homosexuality practiced among the ancient Greeks Hellenist culture and yet they didn't have same sex marriages. Even in Sodom & Gomorrah---Lot's daughters were married and yet were still virgins (see Genesis 19:8 and compare with Genesis 19:14). This is possibly because even though it seems all the men of those cities practiced homosexual acts they still married for convenience.

Christian business owners should be able to run "Christian" business following "Christian" principles. This is nothing new. It is called integrity.

In the Netherlands (which has homosexual marriages) the data shows that on the average in about 2 years of "marriage" these "couples" are have 8 extra marital affairs each. What is prostitution?----but sex for the sake of sex (the money is only an added attraction)...

thanks guys, but i happen to be very male.

littlenipper, you seem to need to write God in all caps many times. This is unnecessary, and seems a bit self-righteous to me. Capitalizing the first letter is sufficient. Careful how you throw that word around. It means something, and it commands a great deal of respect. God's name is not to be thrown at people in judgment upon who they love.

"Judgement is left up to GOD and HIS Word is filled will the determination of GOD on how we should live if we wish to have joy. Christians should not judge without scriptural backing or THEY are passing judgement based on personal opinion."-littlenipper

you just contradicted yourself there. if judgment is up to God (not GOD, but God), then Christians should not judge others period. I agree with your first statement, but not the second. We are not in a position to pass judgment on others because of our human fallacies in decision-making.

"'god' has killed people, unless you don't believe in the 'bible' i see your holding these 2 definitions parallel(sp) as a contradiction.unless 'god' is not love."-helpme

Many things in the Bible are clearly contradictory and therefore skewed by interpretation. I do not take every word of the Bible literally. I admit I do not understand God's killing of people, but I know that killing contradicts love - that is self-evident.

Sorry i dont have the exact quote, but Helpme says that Jesus is the fulfillment of the law, not the abolishment of it. I agree. Because Jesus is the fulfillment of the law, clearly certain intolerant, hateful aspects of Old Testament law are the result of misinterpretation due to the human error of its human (albeit divinely inspired) author. Jesus did not set the law straight, he set Moses' misinterpretation of God's Word straight and corrected the inclusion of traditional Jewish social (not religious) code in holy scripture.

sorry, guys, if i'm sticking too much to Christian belief on the subject, but i feel like it needs a compassionate representative.

-sanka (courtesy of cool runnings)

Christian business owners should be able to run "Christian" business following "Christian" principles. This is nothing new. It is called integrity.

It's called bigotry.

Q,

First off welcome back, you have been gone for some time..

Also I wouldn't call it bigotry but more of personal preference. If I own a family business and want to hire just my family am I then categorized as a bigot? If I am Black and own and operate a black history store and I ownly hire blacks is that bigotry?

The private business is forced rules that the federal government make, whether your opinion to want or not want to abide by those doesn't make you a bigot.

But if you are a racial prejudice person then it would be bigotry. Otherwise is picking who you want.

Now a public company on the other hand has a whole different vantage point.

Christian business owners should be able to run "Christian" business following "Christian" principles. This is nothing new. It is called integrity." - LiNi

Careful with that word, too. "Christian" means loving, compassionate, favoring the downtrodden, forgiving, not judging. I as a "Christian" want no part of your "Christian" businesses. They are the same "Christian" businesses that discriminated against black people fifty years ago. I realize it's nothing new for people to use my religion to justify hatred, bigotry, and discrimination. Just because it's an ancient practice doesn't make it a "value," much less a "Christian" value.

FYI integrity is ethical uprightness, distinct from Bible-thumping.

christian means follower of the 'christ'.christ means messiah means savior.you gave your own interpretation of how a believer should act, this does not however necessarily reflect the scriptural qualifications.

i do not wonder why 'god' made eve instead of another adam.i do not wonder why there is no instance of 'god' marrying two of the same sex.i do not wonder why he allowed the condemnation of it to remain in his scriptures(that is, speaking of the 66canonized books) to this day.i do not wonder about the lack of scriptural evidence on the supporters of gays.i do not condemn them or anyone myself, i however must judge what is right for me because i alone want to be responsible for me on judgement day.


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you're right about the definition of christian, I was referring, however, to a follower of the teachings of the Christ.

God didnt put the Bible together, nor did he write it down. Humans did that. You have a right to judge from the resources you have what is right for you. Obviously, homosexuality is not right for you. However, that is not because of your personal choice or religious uprightness, it is because God made you,from what I can discern, though I may be wrong, heterosexual. Don't say you judged for yourself that homosexuality was wrong for you, because you didnt do that. God did that when he decided which genes you received and what prenatal conditions you were subjected to.

-sanka

A person with cancer is treated as someone with a disorder. A person with cancer isn't told that GOD created the genes and they are predisposed to have cancer and this is OK and everything is "normal" for them --- go in peace and die whenever. The fact is this is EXACTLY what some (parhaps many homosexuals) are suggesting is true with their disfunction. If the cancer patient decides he doesn't want treatment, that doesn't mean he is well. Simply because homosexuals think their lifestyle is OK doesn't make it so...

PS I like to type GOD in capitals. I think HE deservers the honor.

Don't say you judged for yourself that homosexuality was wrong for you, because you didnt do that. God did that when he decided which genes you received and what prenatal conditions you were subjected to.

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nothing is anyone's choice?

PS I like to type GOD in capitals. I think HE deservers the honor.

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i don't know just how it gives him honor, but perhaps using his name instead of a title with pagan origins would do better?maybe.anyway, it is a nice thought.


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nipper said:

A person with cancer is treated as someone with a disorder.

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Yes, because they have a physical abnormalty.

The difference is, homosexuality isn't a mental disorder. If you took a group of hets, bis, and homs, but them in a room, you wouldn't be able to tell who is what. There is no difference between the ways they act, love, think, etc.

A person with cancer isn't told that GOD created the genes and they are predisposed to have cancer and this is OK and everything is "normal" for them

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Yes. God choose this to happen, and therefore he must have a good reason for it. Christians are supposed to believe that everything God does is for their own good. They are supposed to trust him. If God wanted you to get cancer, then you get cancer even if you don't know why.

helpme said:

nothing is anyone's choice?

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Homosexuality isn't a choice, unless you can prove that it is.

Then by your very logic Beastiality isn't a choice either, and neither is pedophilia, or adultery or perhaps polygamy The line ISN'T OURS to draw (at least not for CHRISTIANS).

Then by your very logic Beastiality isn't a choice either, and neither is pedophilia, or adultery or perhaps polygamy

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It could be argued that there is no choice in these things as well, however, we must draw the line of accpetence between what is harmful to society and what is not. Pedophilia is harmful, homosexuality is not.

snaps to Ceridwen - if the line isn't ours to draw, then why do some Christians choose to draw it, and draw it so as to exclude homosexuality?

Then by your very logic Beastiality isn't a choice either, and neither is pedophilia, or adultery or perhaps polygamy The line ISN'T OURS to draw (at least not for CHRISTIANS).

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Beastiality and pedophilia are rape, so no it's not equal to homosexuality.

As far as I know, being a pedophile isn't a choice - acting on it is. This is the same for anything, homosexuality, heterosexuality, etc.

I think adultery is morally wrong, but it's obviously a choice, and polygamy is a preference.

why do some Christians choose to ...draw it so as to exclude homosexuality

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because the scriptures speak against it?

the scriptures have much more to say against having monetary wealth, yet Christians seem to be just fine with those among our body of faith who are millionaires.

are you categorizing me?i.e.;attacking me with the notion that i hold something which i have not declared?


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