Rainbow Mage
Lib Democrat/Agnostic/Epicurean-ish/Buddhist-ish
Falling blood the GOP persecutes homosexuals more then anyone. If that isn't a government entity, I don't know what you think is.
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Homosexuality observed in Animals: Not so Unnatural After All
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fallingblood
Agnostic Theist
Just to clear up, I did not say homosexuals aren't persecuted. I just see a difference between the persecution of homosexuals and African-Americans. And really, I think Latin Americans have largely taken the place of African Americans.
fallingblood
Agnostic Theist
You mean some republicans persecute homosexuals? Can you give me some examples of how the government, the GOP, persecute homosexuals?
Rainbow Mage
Lib Democrat/Agnostic/Epicurean-ish/Buddhist-ish
The Defense of Marriage Act, for one, which the majority of Republicans support. Republicans are the ones holding up the DADT overturn in the system. They are always trying to impede the gays. Surely you can't tell me that states where Republicans dominate politics aren't more anti-gay?
Rainbow Mage
Lib Democrat/Agnostic/Epicurean-ish/Buddhist-ish
Yeah, in order to downplay the persecution homosexuals receive. That's what everyone does, no biggie. Let's just pretend there's no problem.
waitasec
Veteran Member
i think i see what you mean, but just think for a moment...
the color of your skin is out there. as i said before, it is a force to be reckoned with... which is why it comes to a head sooner rather than later. but it's because of the ability to conceal sexuality for hundreds of years (i'll just use the US as an example), since the inception of this country's birth, homosexuality takes much longer to reckon with... homosexuals have been waiting in line for a long long time... you can say african americans and latinos were/are in line... but i believe homosexuals were in line before... when do you think the bigotry against homosexuality within the black and latino communities started?
fallingblood
Agnostic Theist
So you can name two instances? One, the Don't Ask Don't Tell having been created in order to protect gays in the service. And one that has been overturned.
Basically, what you've described is some Republicans doing very few things in order to keep rights away from homosexuals. I don't see how this has anything to do with the media though and the government persecuting homosexual through the media.
fallingblood
Agnostic Theist
That is just ignorant and ridiculous. I'm not downplaying anything. I'm just not going to equate two things that I find different. Especially when I see a community that is being persecuted more similar to the way blacks were.Yeah, in order to downplay the persecution homosexuals receive. That's what everyone does, no biggie. Let's just pretend there's no problem.
Rainbow Mage
Lib Democrat/Agnostic/Epicurean-ish/Buddhist-ish
Think about how the media portrays homosexuals falling blood. Look a little closer. Heterosexuality is held up and glorified. Yes gay people get roles, but think about what happens. In most movies one or both characters die. There is no happy ending. This is sending a subtle message that homosexuality cannot end in happiness.
fallingblood
Agnostic Theist
I would agree that homosexuals have been in line for a long time. However, I see them having a benefit; they have been able to hide it. Which, in itself, could be horrible. I wouldn't want to hide who I am, but I do see that as being a benefit.
That is why I see it as quite different. It's not like one was able to openly persecute them in mass for the most part because how is one to know who is gay and not. That, and homosexuality spreads throughout all ethnicities and cultures, so it is hard to actually pinpoint.
In my opinion then, Latinos are more similar to the blacks then in persecution. Because they can't hide their skin color, it is easier to persecute them.
fallingblood
Agnostic Theist
That is ridiculous. Again, look at the Secret Life of an American Teenager, and Greek. Both geared towards young adults and teens, both portraying homosexuals as role models, who are no different than others besides their sexual orientation. Now, by your logic, I have to assume that must be because the government wants to support homosexuals, because they obviously run the media.
But that doesn't make sense. I really can't think of any movies in which homosexuals are demeaned unless it is a movie showing the ugliness of intolerance. Really, I think you are looking too deep into a couple of movies that are sending no such message. Maybe you would like to give some examples though.
RitalinO.D.
Well-Known Member
You're basing your argument on media perception? Media, being well known for overblowing and misrepresenting information on a constant basis to fit their agenda? Come on, very few media sources are even remotely reliable sources, if what you are after is 100% truth.
As far as the GOP goes, again not a completely reliable source, when you take into consideration the amount of lobbying involved in Gov't. Just about any politician can be swayed to vote one way or another with enough money. So, someone that votes against DADT, may not have any negative feelings toward it, they were just swayed that way with large "donations" to their office. This happens on a daily basis on just about every single topic that is voted on.
Not government supported persecution? DADT, DOMA, lack of Employment Non-discrimination, how are these NOT government supported? As an employer, it would be illegal for me to fire you because of your race, national origin, disability, gender, or religious affiliation (or lack thereof), however, it is perfectly legal for me to be fired because of the sex of my lover. The US Military will allow Latinos to join and serve on a volunteer basis, but because I prefer **** to *****, I am not, how is that NOT government sanctioned? State Legislatures and Legislators feel that popular votes on minority rights are perfectly fine when it comes to those damn dirty **** and dykes, but NOT when it comes to people in wheelchairs, Christians, or African-Americans, How is this NOT government sanctioned persecution of a minority group? Or is it only persecution when the **** manage to win a court case against a christian?
waitasec
Veteran Member
living a lie is horrible...i see no benefit
unless of course the value of life is only skin deep...
fallingblood
Agnostic Theist
You can serve in the military regardless of your sexual orientation. DADT did not prevent that. You just couldn't be openly gay. Now, it doesn't matter as it was repealed.
More so, same-sex partners still can get married in select states. Whether or not there is a bill against it means nothing. There is also a bill about banning guns, and has been so for many years.
And really, if you get fired for being gay, you can take that to court because you have rights. And that has nothing to do with the government persecuting homosexuals. It has to do with business practices of certain businesses. The government isn't saying that it's okay.
And this isn't Christian vs gays. Naming three instances shows very little. I know you are emotional about this, but taking a step back may do some good.
fallingblood
Agnostic Theist
I agree, living a lie can be horrible. But I do see a benefit if a homosexual is able to not be persecuted in public because no one knows, but then can go home and do what they feel like. I see that a benefit above going into public, and instantly being labeled because of the color of ones skin.
waitasec
Veteran Member
the act of hiding is the act of persecution.
it's like a junkie who keeps getting their fix
which only perpetuates the problem
because we don't see the inner turmoil it is easier to dismiss..
out of sight out of mind, but it's there and it's killing peoples spirits...
fallingblood
Agnostic Theist
I don't disagree. I know that homosexuals are persecuted. However, I see a difference between the persecution they face, and the persecution that blacks faced. My point really is that I just wouldn't call homosexuals the new African Americans in terms of persecution. For me, I see much more similarity in the persecution that Latinos are now facing when compared to the struggle of the African Americans.
Skwim
Veteran Member
I would say that because the attraction motivation in homosexuality occurs in different animals and isn't a conscious choice but rather some kind inherent predisposition and is therefore natural, that it's not beyond reason that this "homosexual wiring" in the brain could well occur in the human animal as well, just like the other characteristics we share with various animals. (Sorry about the run-on sentence.) So I believe it's a significant factor and deserves serious consideration.fallingblood said:
The censorship in this post cracked me up.
Fallingblood and Phoenix you guys actually seem to be on similar pages and are just arguing details in your statements.
to Fallingblood I would say there is some anti-gay bias in the media, or at least some that could be perceived that way. many conservative news or religious programs are an example, anything that is pro-religion or right wing could also be viewed as anti-gay by association (just like Islam is often equated with terrorism, look at the trade center mosque controversy). A gay person is going to be more sensitive to it because it hits closer to home.
To Phoenix I would say there are people in the govt that are anti-gay and there is Bias against the rights of gay people, but it is getting better. I don't think you can really compare the persecution of gay people to one of race, I think it would be more along the lines of religious persecution.
You both seem like tolerant people I would say stop bickering over semantics.