HOGCALLER said:
The Truth, Mujahid Mohammed, flysky, et al.,
Two excellent answers that beg this question:
If so, then why do Muslims reject, blame and judge the books, the Holy Scriptures, which preceded the Quran by pointing to the actions and beliefs of those who claim to be believers but who really are not and even do far worse than that by claiming that Gods protection of His Word has failed so that His guidance provided within them has become changed and untrustworthy?
I think i have to make things clear for you by what do i mean for example that the holy bible may not be as the orginal one in hebrew.
First of all, what do we mean by
the words of God?
Is it the holy book that anyone can write it and modify it by his own? (you also can modify and edit the bible too if you want) .. No ???
actually, the words of God isn't any book we have or any book we can make or copy .. etc.
The words of God will never be changed whether in the Torah, Injeel or Quran.
now you will say that i'm contradicting myself? isn't it?
Nope.
when i say i'll give you my words then you wrote what i said down in a note for example. If you changed my words so is that mean you changed me? NO
my words is mine .. I have it... it's with me, in my heart and i can say it again and again to anyone by my tongue.
Nevertheless, you changed the words you have in YOUR book you wrote according to me but i still have my words with me because you can't convience me to change it but you changed your own copy of it.
So, i say to you that God's words will never be changed but only people changed what they have in thier own copy.
you will say God will protect it .. right?
Do you think now when i change the words of the bible today so when i come tomorrow my book will delete what i wrote there by itself because God protected it ?? and no one can do nothing because therer is a hidden power can delete what human beings change??? not logic right?
so that's why we have shortage in understanding of protecting.
so we conclude now that God's words in the Torah, Injeel and Quran never changed and it will never be change because it's the words of God and he has it but people could change thier own copy of the bible but they can't change the original words of God which he has.
you will say now so Quran is the same and anyone can change it !!!
I will tell you
NO.
Why?
Simply because Allah said Quran is a
Miracle but Torah and Injeel are just words Allah said to his prophets Moses and Juses.
still you can't swallow my words.
ok i tell you.
Quran is a miracle so no body can change it because any muslim will find out that someone changed it.
Allah save Quran from any changing because no one ever tried to change the Quran and he could fool a muslim.
why?
because Quran is unique in it's orginal Arabic form and no one ever could change it.
Of course, some people tried their best to change it but once we look at a verse (which someone changed for example) in Arabic definitely 100% the muslim will know that somthing has changed and somthing wrong overthere because Quran is not a typical book and it had it's own style and how much you try to add or delete somthing any muslim who can speak arabic will find out it's not the word of God because it dosn't looks like what we read in the Quran in arabic and no body ever will be able to change even a single verse or to bring somthing like it forever because nothing is similar to it in arabic.
We Muslims believe that God's words will never be changed in Torah and Injeel in it's original form and no body will be consider as a muslim if he dosn't believe so but we don't trust the translation of it which we have nowdays in the book called The Holy Bible because of the unknown authors words and paul's words which they attached in the Torah and Injeel.
HOGCALLER said:
If you truly consider ALL Gods words to be
HOGCALLER said:
the same message and the same teachings then we should be able to reach a consensus about Jesus, the Prophet of God long before Muhammad, based on the Holy Scriptures.
This is obvious that you should be able to reach a consensus about Jesus before Mohamed. Allah told us that Christians in the past knew that Jesus is a prophet but they change what Jesus teached them. This happened when paul came and spoiled the idea and concept of Jesus from a prophet to golorify him more and more to be like God himself, arm or son as in Christians' dogma.
If you don't believe my words so go and search in the bible and check if Jesus claim that he is a God or if he said worship me because simply he was a messenger of God whom he used to pray to.
insha Allah my brother HOGCALLER we can reach to a fair point about this issue if we really gone through the Scriptures and to focus and study it so we can learn more and more God willing because we just came to learn and we didn't came to fight in a battle or to see who will win at the end like what we see in a football matches for example.
I apologize if i have said somthing wrong or if i made any mistake in my posts and i'm just a human being just like you and i may be right and i may be wrong and forgive me for my ignorance if i have said somthing wrong which is only my own opnion through what i believe in personally.