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Does God Want You to Suffer?

LooseEnd

Member
Happy to hear that LooseEnd :)

I said that before.I believe we have 7 planes of existence:
Physical,Astral, Mental, Buddhic, Atmic, Anupadaka, and Adi planes

Physical is in the bottom and the most massive one.It has the most limited rules because of it's nature. The Astral Plane is similar to the physical plane but it has rules that make it look better when compared with the physical(like the lavity rule you mentioned),time is extended,there is no gravity and logic has a higher position here.

let me put a nice description here (book:Astral Dynamics,Robert Bruce):

The Eastern names commonly used to describe higher levels are to the average Western person
fairly meaningless. Higher dimensions also do not have signposts in them saying "Welcome to the
Astral Planes — Ta... Daaa!" or "Mental Planes — Watch Your Mind!" or "Buddhic Planes —Love One Another!" I have therefore chosen to use my own names for some of the more understandable and less abstract higher dimensional levels, as I have perceived them during some of my more extraordinary projection-cum-mystical experiences.

If you enter this level, please do not try to rationalize or understand it, for this is way beyond
mere mortal understanding. Just accept what you find there, go with the flow and enjoy it! The feel of this level is what, I believe, led the ancient Vikings to name the mythical path into Azgard the Rainbow Bridge. It truly looks and feels as if you are walking up a living rainbow bridge into a
spectacular wonderland where it would be easy to imagine the gods must surely dwell. Exist here in
wondering amazement. Let loose the child within you and enjoy this fairy wonderland, soaking
inspiration from every passing cloud. Everything feels very real and solid here, time is more
distorted than in the high astral dimension, and reality is fluid, kaleidoscopic, and abstract in the
extreme!

So see we are located in the physical world which is limited in time and dimensions.These limitations will not let it to be a perfect place that's why even if we agree with this perfection argument perhaps we will get to the astral or mental planes, won't we?

I'd like to research more on this. Thank you for you explanation.

OK consider me a low-educated engineer.I just tried to tell you my points by giving different examples. and I apologize if It sounds that i,m repeating. i,m just not good at English and that's what I always fear!

I was by no means, saying that you are a low-educated engineer or anything. I was just saying, that as an engineer I know that you have good brains and that maybe you are not trying to see a logic in what I say. And I'm sorry If I sounded anything other than that, and I apologize. Your English is good. Dont worry about it. I now know that English is not your mother tongue. Well guess what? It's not mine either. And my English is bad.(I don't understand big words some guys say). But I think its sufficient. So don't worry about yours either.
 

LooseEnd

Member
You are presuming that "God" has unlimited ability to influence reality. That is simply not true. "God's" will is not a presupposition of Omnipotence or Omniscience and is only limited in conception by Omnibenevolence. A "God" which respects free will in its entirety (meaning he will not violate the free will of any living being within the cosmos, not just humans) would pretty much sit around and wait for whatever it is the cosmos was supposed to do did do (assuming it was supposed to do anything).

MTF

Did GOD create this world? Did he create this reality? If he created the reality in the first place, didn't he had the ability to influence the reality? If I'm not getting what you are saying, please explain.
 

kai

ragamuffin
does any one think that when we go to heaven we no longer have free will? just wondering what kind of bliss could make me not miss and want to be with my kids ? would we be like the stepford wives or something?
 

LooseEnd

Member
You are presuming that "God" has unlimited ability to influence reality. That is simply not true. "God's" will is not a presupposition of Omnipotence or Omniscience and is only limited in conception by Omnibenevolence. A "God" which respects free will in its entirety (meaning he will not violate the free will of any living being within the cosmos, not just humans) would pretty much sit around and wait for whatever it is the cosmos was supposed to do did do (assuming it was supposed to do anything).

MTF

Also since GOD just waits and do nothing, why don't we just not rely on him to do anything? Obviously he is not gonna interfere in our work, maybe he don't care or maybe he cant or maybe it's something else, but he is not any use right? It's like he never existed...
 

other-side

Soul separator
I was by no means, saying that you are a low-educated engineer or anything. I was just saying, that as an engineer I know that you have good brains and that maybe you are not trying to see a logic in what I say. And I'm sorry If I sounded anything other than that, and I apologize.
I see.no need to apologize, it was me who misunderstood what you tried to say so I must say sorry!:rainbow1:

I'd like to research more on this. Thank you for you explanation.
check these four out.they are not bad for this subject or search for SEVEN PLANES OF CONSCIOUSNESS
http://esotericscience.org/article10a.htm
http://esotericscience.org/article3a.htm
Seven Planes of Existence - Theta Medical Intuition
http://www.v-j-enterprises.com/rbruce2.html
Your welcome my friend :)
 
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daughterofsatan

DEVIL WORSHIPER
Quote: Originally Posted by daughterofsatan yes your god does want you to suffer as he is a sadist. "Talking to anyone in particular? " I was just refering to the title of the thread. I meant those that worship Jehovah. I personally have no problems with any other religion including christianity but I do believe the christian god is a sadist.
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
I was just refering to the title of the thread. I meant those that worship Jehovah. I personally have no problems with any other religion including christianity but I do believe the christian god is a sadist.

Gotcha.

As an aside, there's a button labeled "quote" at the bottom of every post that you can hit in order to more easily specify who you're addressing.
 

lilmama1991

Member
Does god want you to suffer? Why or why not?
i dont think he wants us to suffer but right now satan is lurking and is the reason why everybody sins so thats why he's giving everybody a chance to learn the truth and try to do right so we'll have a chance to not have to worry about that pain for awhile
 

Jacksnyte

Reverend
I think we humans like a good bit of suffering and we created god in our image: intolerant, sexist, homophobic and violent.

An interesting take on this mindset can be found in Anne Rice's Servant of the Bones. Anyone read this? It would make sense for a god created in the way the gods are created in this book to want others to suffer.
 
To answer the opening question, I would say yes and no.

I see the "punishment" as justice, and God gives much to his "children", which is also justice.
He doesn't want to punish, but with the cause and effect of our actions, we deserve it.
 
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