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Krishnacore: Insensitive or evolutionary?

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Gaura Priya

IRL
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The rise of Krishna core back then is pretty interesting.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3SB21uZEVU

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With the big growth of Vaishnavism in both Latin America and Eastern Europe, many of the youth who were born in the Gaudiya Vaishnava movement have created a kirtan movement within the religion, in the forms of Krishnacore and other forms.

Krishnacore is originally for 'preaching' only and would never be played in the temple, and since it does not evoke the mood of sweetness, it has no real place in devotional life except for 'demoniacs' who need this form to come to sadhana bhakti. Thus, such music is played for Woodstock festivals and other youth venues as preaching.

However, many devotees still like or miss this part of their lives, and make Krishnacore a part of their musical devotional life. What do you all think? Does it give precedence for the Holy Names of Hari, or is it a mere form of sense gratification using the Holy Name?

:jam:
 
Jacksnyte

Jacksnyte

Reverend
Royal Falcon of God said:
:guitar1:

The rise of Krishna core back then is pretty interesting.

[youtube]i3SB21uZEVU[/youtube]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3SB21uZEVU

:band:

With the big growth of Vaishnavism in both Latin America and Eastern Europe, many of the youth who were born in the Gaudiya Vaishnava movement have created a kirtan movement within the religion, in the forms of Krishnacore and other forms.

Krishnacore is originally for 'preaching' only and would never be played in the temple, and since it does not evoke the mood of sweetness, it has no real place in devotional life except for 'demoniacs' who need this form to come to sadhana bhakti. Thus, such music is played for Woodstock festivals and other youth venues as preaching.

However, many devotees still like or miss this part of their lives, and make Krishnacore a part of their musical devotional life. What do you all think? Does it give precedence for the Holy Names of Hari, or is it a mere form of sense gratification using the Holy Name?

:jam:
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I have always found it just as silly as Christian thrashmetal. The whole "cookie monster" voice was a device used by pre-blackmetal bands to sound more scary and demonic. It's like Creed trying to do insidious christian witnessing with their music. The fans ultimately felt betrayed, and they lost their fan base.
 
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Gaura Priya

IRL
Jacksnyte said:
I have always found it just as silly as Christian thrashmetal. The whole "cookie monster" voice was a device used by pre-blackmetal bands to sound more scary and demonic. It's like Creed trying to do insidious christian witnessing with their music. The fans ultimately felt betrayed, and they lost their fan base.
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The thing is, Krishnacore has lead to the submovement of Straight Edge, where such rock fans do not smoke, drink alcohol, do drugs, have promiscuous sex, or eat meat - the four principles of spiritual life for Gaudiya Vaishnavas everywhere.

In any case, my question is whether this can be used as a legitimate form of kirtan or devotional music in Vaishnavism, and even Hinduism at large, or whether it is another passing phase in music.

And of course, whether such a kind of music is sacriledge or not; after all, according to Vaishnava Dharma, the most basic form or the ultimate form of bhakti yoga in Kali-Yuga is harinama sankirtana, the congregational chanting of the Holy Names of God. It is described as the Yuga-Dharma.

For example, something more permanent in the Christian world is the rise of Praise & Worship. Even Catholic parishes have gone into the Praise & Worship movement and now has a part in mainstream Christian culture.

So while Christians have utilised it for preaching, many devotees are often told to *only* listen to devotional music embued with Krishna's Names, and especially only sung by Vaishnavas. This music may fill the gap that many young devotees may have in balancing their social lives as well as a traditional, insular movement, and the very reason why there are so many styles of music (rap, R&B, country, rock or punk rock, etc.) with the Hare Krishna Mahamantra.
 
Jacksnyte

Jacksnyte

Reverend
Royal Falcon of God said:
The thing is, Krishnacore has lead to the submovement of Straight Edge, where such rock fans do not smoke, drink alcohol, do drugs, have promiscuous sex, or eat meat - the four principles of spiritual life for Gaudiya Vaishnavas everywhere.

In any case, my question is whether this can be used as a legitimate form of kirtan or devotional music in Vaishnavism, and even Hinduism at large, or whether it is another passing phase in music.

And of course, whether such a kind of music is sacriledge or not; after all, according to Vaishnava Dharma, the most basic form or the ultimate form of bhakti yoga in Kali-Yuga is harinama sankirtana, the congregational chanting of the Holy Names of God. It is described as the Yuga-Dharma.

For example, something more permanent in the Christian world is the rise of Praise & Worship. Even Catholic parishes have gone into the Praise & Worship movement and now has a part in mainstream Christian culture.

So while Christians have utilised it for preaching, many devotees are often told to *only* listen to devotional music embued with Krishna's Names, and especially only sung by Vaishnavas. This music may fill the gap that many young devotees may have in balancing their social lives as well as a traditional, insular movement, and the very reason why there are so many styles of music (rap, R&B, country, rock or punk rock, etc.) with the Hare Krishna Mahamantra.
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Well, in that setting, I would have to say that the aggressive rhythms, and shrieking guitars are hardly conducive to devotional atmosphere by any stretch. In a more secular setting, it would allow for them to get out some aggressions with a nice, positive lyric-base.
As for straight edge, they will never compete with the Fugazi crowd for that :)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzC0RNkBXM0
 
Madhuri

Madhuri

RF Goddess
Staff member
Premium Member
Omg that sounds aweful.

Thing is, that kind of music is completely in the mode of passion. Spiritual practice is traditionally meant to be in the mode of goodness. But then again, the utterance of the Lord's name is never a negative thing. So I don't think this music is bad- I just hope for the sake of my eardrums that it never gets too popular.
 
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Gaura Priya

IRL
Madhuri said:
Omg that sounds aweful.

Thing is, that kind of music is completely in the mode of passion. Spiritual practice is traditionally meant to be in the mode of goodness. But then again, the utterance of the Lord's name is never a negative thing. So I don't think this music is bad- I just hope for the sake of my eardrums that it never gets too popular.
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That's the thing, LOL. Even though it is mode of passion, it still is harinam in a way. I know a few youth and young adults at the local temple that listen to Krishnacore bands and such music, and keep it to themselves lest they get a lecture on how such music is not conducive to spiritual life, lol.
 
atmarama

atmarama

Struggling Spiritualist
Ye there are no hard and fast rules for chanting Hare Krsna, but as has been mentioned, it is mostly in the modes of passion and ignorance - unless chanted by a pure devotee - although I don't think a pure devotee would get too involved with "krishnacore" :D I suppose it is good for those who are more attracted to "the dark side" - and gradually they will purify...

While I have never been into hardcore music, I am a singer/songwriter and try to spiritualize my music. I feel there is definitely a place for contempary music with underlining message; George Harrison is my guru in that department ;)

Somehow since Aindra's passing I have become even more attracted to his kirtan though, which at times seems rather passionate - but I call it transcendental... As Aindra Prabhu has often said: "Please do more harinam sankirtan" :)
 
SageTree

SageTree

Spiritual Friend
Premium Member
No comment:

Just wanted to share, Taqwa-core a really thoughtful and compelling documentary based on the book by the main character of the doc.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTkaqHhmpws

Sounded similar idealistically to this, so hope you enjoy.

Try to not judge the trailer too harshly because there are some things that happen in the movie that add context to some of the crazier sights and comments lol....

:namaste
SageTree
 
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