Gandhiji, no wonder you are mixing various things. The Acharya of the Advaitins, Sri Adi Shankara composed "Bhaja Govindam Moodha matee...." and "Achyutam Keshavam...".
Regards,
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Gandhiji, no wonder you are mixing various things. The Acharya of the Advaitins, Sri Adi Shankara composed "Bhaja Govindam Moodha matee...." and "Achyutam Keshavam...".
Regards,
Gaura Priya
IRL
Shankaracharya, the propagator of Advaita Vedanta, wrote this beautiful hymn to Krishna that Vaishnavas appreciate to this day.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4FUQxn4CnY
And don't worry, I follow other religions too.
Breathe
Hostis humani generis
Not quite: the fact you seem to be rather anti-Hindu, and some of the things you have said should be known by any knowledgeable Hindu such as the claim there is no supreme God in the Vedas or even talks of one God brought that confusion.
What "other religions" do you follow, may I ask?
Rainbow Mage
Lib Democrat/Agnostic/Epicurean-ish/Buddhist-ish
Tathagata
Freethinker
I think I have made quite enough threads as to why the Buddha is not a "god-realized man" or any other Theistic belief.
Show me.
Breathe
Hostis humani generis
We have a winner!Could it be...Islam?
Breathe
Hostis humani generis
Stop preaching in the Hinduism DIR.
Tathagata
Freethinker
My comment was directly related to a post on a Hindu belief.
Hi Tathagata,
what he means is that this is the Hinduism DIR and so only respectful questions are allowed from members who are not Hindu. Same rule applies to any DIR.
Breathe
Hostis humani generis
As Madhuri said.
Even if I thought you were right--or even in the right--that doesn't give you the reason to go poking your nose in the Hindu DIR any more than it gives Muslims the reason to go poking their nose in the Christian DIR and telling them what to believe, or the Christians in the Muslim DIR and telling them what to believe.
See, there's a magical, wonderful little thing called "letting people believe what they want, even if it's different to your own".
Even if I thought you were right--or even in the right--that doesn't give you the reason to go poking your nose in the Hindu DIR any more than it gives Muslims the reason to go poking their nose in the Christian DIR and telling them what to believe, or the Christians in the Muslim DIR and telling them what to believe.
See, there's a magical, wonderful little thing called "letting people believe what they want, even if it's different to your own".
Gaura Priya
IRL
VAISHNAVISM: Buddha is an Incarnation of God
"Then, in the beginning of Kali-yuga, the Lord will appear as Lord Buddha, the son of Anjana, in the province of Gaya, just for the purpose of deluding those who are envious of the faithful theist."
Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.3.24
BAHA'I FAITH: Buddha is a Manifestation (or Messenger) of God
"The founder of Buddhism was a wonderful soul. He established the Oneness of God, but later the original principles of His doctrines gradually disappeared."
"You will realize that if the Divine light of truth shone in Jesus Christ it also shone in Moses and in Buddha. The earnest seeker will arrive at this truth."
-- 'Abdu'l-Baha
AHMADIYYA ISLAM: Buddha is a Prophet or Messenger of God
"Buddha and Jesus were both holy prophets of God who appeared in their own times for the spiritual rejuvenation of the people to whom they were sent. Buddha appeared in India about six hundred years before Jesus. In both were found a purity of life, sanctity of character and patient endurance under fierce persecution."
-- Bashir Ahmad Orchard
bhaktajan
Active Member
Caitanya Caritamrta - Madya-lila 9.30 - TRANSLATION:
“‘The word “krs” is the attractive feature of the Lord’s existence, and “ëa” means spiritual pleasure. When the verb “krs” is added to the affix “na,” it becomes “Krsna,” which indicates the Absolute Truth.’
PURPORT
This is a verse from the Mahabharata (Udyoga-parva 71.4).
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SB 10.8.15P:
If we analyze the nirukti, or semantic derivation, of the word “Krsna,” we find that ‘na’ signifies that He stops the repetition of birth and death, and krs means sattartha, or “existence.” (Krsna is the whole of existence.) Also, ‘krs’ means “attraction,” and na means ananda, or “bliss.”
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SB 2.7.26P:
In the Vishnu Purana, as well as in the Mahabharata, both Krishna and Baladeva are mentioned as having beautiful black hair, even in Their advanced age.
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CC Madya 23.117-118:
Due to envy, many asuras describe Krishna to be like a black crow or an incarnation of a hair. Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu told Sanatana Gosvami how to counteract all these asuric explanations of Krishna. The word kaka means crow, and kesha means hair. The asuras describe Krishna as an incarnation of a crow, an incarnation of a sudra (a blackish tribe) and an incarnation of a hair, not knowing that the word kesha means ka-isha and that ka means Lord Brahma and isha means Lord. Thus the word kesha indicates that Krishna is the Lord of Lord Brahma. . . .
In Bhagavata-purana, the Vishnu-purana and the Mahabharata there are references to Krishna and Balarama being incarnations of a black hair and a white hair respectively. It is stated that Lord Vishnu snatched two hairs—one white and one black—from His head. These two hairs entered the wombs of Rohini and Devaki, members of the Yadu dynasty. Balarama was born from Rohini, and Krishna was born of Devaki. Thus Balarama appeared from the first hair, and Krishna appeared from the second hair. It was also foretold that all the asuras, who are enemies of the demigods, would be cut down by Lord Vishnu by His white and black plenary expansions and that the Supreme Personality of Godhead would appear and perform wonderful activities.
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CC Madya 23.82-83
Mayavadi philosophers, who have a poor fund of knowledge, simply dismiss the subject by explaining that krishna means “black.” Not understanding the qualities of Krishna, these atheistic rascals do not accept Him as the Supreme Personality of Godhead.
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SB 1.3.5P:
Then there are the yugavataras, or the incarnations of the millennia. The yugas are known as Satya-yuga, Treta-yuga, Dvapara-yuga and Kali-yuga. The incarnations of each yuga are of different color. The colors are white, red, black and yellow. In the Dvapara-yuga, Lord Krishna in black color appeared, and in the Kali-yuga Lord Caitanya in yellow color appeared.
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SB 10.8.13:
Your son Krishna appears as an incarnation in every millennium. In the past, He assumed three different colors—white, red and yellow—and now He has appeared in a blackish color. [In another Dvapara-yuga, He appeared (as Lord Ramacandra) in the color of Suka, a parrot. All such incarnations have now assembled in Krishna.]
“‘The word “krs” is the attractive feature of the Lord’s existence, and “ëa” means spiritual pleasure. When the verb “krs” is added to the affix “na,” it becomes “Krsna,” which indicates the Absolute Truth.’
PURPORT
This is a verse from the Mahabharata (Udyoga-parva 71.4).
:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
SB 10.8.15P:
If we analyze the nirukti, or semantic derivation, of the word “Krsna,” we find that ‘na’ signifies that He stops the repetition of birth and death, and krs means sattartha, or “existence.” (Krsna is the whole of existence.) Also, ‘krs’ means “attraction,” and na means ananda, or “bliss.”
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SB 2.7.26P:
In the Vishnu Purana, as well as in the Mahabharata, both Krishna and Baladeva are mentioned as having beautiful black hair, even in Their advanced age.
::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
CC Madya 23.117-118:
Due to envy, many asuras describe Krishna to be like a black crow or an incarnation of a hair. Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu told Sanatana Gosvami how to counteract all these asuric explanations of Krishna. The word kaka means crow, and kesha means hair. The asuras describe Krishna as an incarnation of a crow, an incarnation of a sudra (a blackish tribe) and an incarnation of a hair, not knowing that the word kesha means ka-isha and that ka means Lord Brahma and isha means Lord. Thus the word kesha indicates that Krishna is the Lord of Lord Brahma. . . .
In Bhagavata-purana, the Vishnu-purana and the Mahabharata there are references to Krishna and Balarama being incarnations of a black hair and a white hair respectively. It is stated that Lord Vishnu snatched two hairs—one white and one black—from His head. These two hairs entered the wombs of Rohini and Devaki, members of the Yadu dynasty. Balarama was born from Rohini, and Krishna was born of Devaki. Thus Balarama appeared from the first hair, and Krishna appeared from the second hair. It was also foretold that all the asuras, who are enemies of the demigods, would be cut down by Lord Vishnu by His white and black plenary expansions and that the Supreme Personality of Godhead would appear and perform wonderful activities.
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CC Madya 23.82-83
Mayavadi philosophers, who have a poor fund of knowledge, simply dismiss the subject by explaining that krishna means “black.” Not understanding the qualities of Krishna, these atheistic rascals do not accept Him as the Supreme Personality of Godhead.
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SB 1.3.5P:
Then there are the yugavataras, or the incarnations of the millennia. The yugas are known as Satya-yuga, Treta-yuga, Dvapara-yuga and Kali-yuga. The incarnations of each yuga are of different color. The colors are white, red, black and yellow. In the Dvapara-yuga, Lord Krishna in black color appeared, and in the Kali-yuga Lord Caitanya in yellow color appeared.
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SB 10.8.13:
Your son Krishna appears as an incarnation in every millennium. In the past, He assumed three different colors—white, red and yellow—and now He has appeared in a blackish color. [In another Dvapara-yuga, He appeared (as Lord Ramacandra) in the color of Suka, a parrot. All such incarnations have now assembled in Krishna.]
ImmortalPhoenix
Member
Thank you for your added information bhaktajan. No one has mentioned that na means spiritual pleasure. That specifically means a lot to me. That spiritual pleasure is why I know God exists, especially when that ecstasy fills my entire body.
atmarama
Struggling Spiritualist
Nice, thank you Bhaktajan :bow:
In Srimad Bhagavatam 1.3.28 it is said: Krsnas tu bhagavan svayam: "Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa is the original Personality of Godhead". Here is a nice article on this topic: The Supreme Position of Sri Krshna as the Source of All Incarnations [Bhagavan Svayam] | Sri Narasingha Chaitanya Ashram
I was just thinking how people have such varigated and opposing opinions on who Krsna is, but hardly anyone listens to who Krsna Himself says he is in Gita
Hare Krsna
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bhaktajan
Active Member
Yes. This is a supremely mysterious Irony.
It's an Irony that steels ones nerves.
It prompts me to think that all men who have seen hellacious war . . . must have considered that life would be different if only they had taken a life of devotional service to god . . . rather than the secular path that had led him and his comtemporaries to such circumstances enmass.
It is a supremely mysterious Irony that so many spiritual seekers quote this and that and then talk at length about their ensuing speculations ---rather then studying what Krsihna directly says aloud in their faces on the printed page ---before time slips away.
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Mayavadi philosophers, . . . these atheistic rascals
do not accept Him as the Supreme Personality of Godhead.
This beratement has caused non-hindu theists to shout 'Foul'!
This beratement has caused non-hindu theists to shout 'bipartisan sectarian' plea!
I have realised that Bhaktivedanta Swami was a Scholar (hence the Title: "Bhakti-Vedanta") I have realised that Bhaktivedanta Swami was an old old man that had grand authority to chastice. Bhaktivedanta Swami's chastisement is an inverted benediction.
It is the poragative of Swami's of his calibre to pronounce such things as an expression of orthodox Theism's real sentiments.
And even more esoterically, it is a great bendiction to humbly accept/recognise the exclusive unique-ness of gladly accepting such chastisements and reprimands, from a bonefide Spiritual Master such as the then 70-something year old Bhaktivedanta Swami.
Anyway, Bhaktivedanta Swami is actually quoting such tough-love terms of endearments from his own disciplic succession [BTW, in this connection, Krishna uses the word mudha (jack*ss-fool)].
The litmus test for bonefide Gurus is to alway quote "Guru, sadhu(s), and sastra" [mentor, mentor's contemporaries, and, the Text-books].
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Gaura Priya
IRL
http://kids.iskcondesiretree.info/A...ngs/Mrgaksi_Dasi_and_Family_-_02_Devotees.mp3
Devotees
Devotees travel far and near
To chant and preach; we have no fear.
We know that Krishna's always there
'Cause we see Krishna everywhere.
In Bhagavad-Gita, Krishna's Book,
He tells us how and where to look.
Just listen now, and learn to see Him
Present in His energy!
Among the stars, He is the Moon,
Of lights He is radiant Sun,
And as the Supersoul, He's seated
In the heart of everyone.
He's witness to each word and deed,
The resting place, the Eternal Seed,
He is the Beginning, Middle and End,
He's everybody's dearmost Friend.
He hears the life of all that lives;
To all that worship Him, He gives
The shining lamp of knowledge sweet
That leads us to His lotus feet.
The spirit souls fell from above;
To save us, Lord Chaitanya came
To bring all the people back to Godhead
Chanting Krishna's Holy Name!
Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna, Hare Hare,
Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare!
Devotees
Devotees travel far and near
To chant and preach; we have no fear.
We know that Krishna's always there
'Cause we see Krishna everywhere.
In Bhagavad-Gita, Krishna's Book,
He tells us how and where to look.
Just listen now, and learn to see Him
Present in His energy!
Among the stars, He is the Moon,
Of lights He is radiant Sun,
And as the Supersoul, He's seated
In the heart of everyone.
He's witness to each word and deed,
The resting place, the Eternal Seed,
He is the Beginning, Middle and End,
He's everybody's dearmost Friend.
He hears the life of all that lives;
To all that worship Him, He gives
The shining lamp of knowledge sweet
That leads us to His lotus feet.
The spirit souls fell from above;
To save us, Lord Chaitanya came
To bring all the people back to Godhead
Chanting Krishna's Holy Name!
Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna, Hare Hare,
Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare!
atmarama
Struggling Spiritualist
:bow: Some firstclass realizations here! It struck me how true it is that Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada has this "Grand Authority" to chastize! :yes: Thank you for sharing that!
Kuvalya_Dharmasindhu
Nondualistic Bhakta
Namaste Dear Ones,
I humbly yet strongly disagree with this assertion... Things in life are not always black and white. There can be a lot of grey area. Not everyone fits into two categories and despite the fact that i'm a Sri Vaishnava, i recognize a Nirguna as well as Saguna Brahman. Sri Adi Shankaracharya (the most famous proponent of Advaita) recognized God exists... After all, why would a learned scholar compose beautiful bhajans to Bhagavan if He didn't exist??? There is no logical way an individual can be Atheist and Theist at the same time. Maybe Agnostic or Non-theisitic but neither of those encompasses both sides of the spectrum completely... I really believe that the idea that there are two schools of thought comes from misunderstanding. Additionally, logically if those who believed in a Nirguna Brahman were atheists how could they claim "I am God" when according to your logic in their eyes there is no God? My final point is that anyone who says "I am God" obviously doesn't really understand Advaita and is most likely speaking from an egotistic standpoint not a God-Realized one...
I'm very sorry but the implication of your sentences above is the idea that Bhakti's only practiced by Vaishnavas... If you believe this to be true, you are very very sadly mistaken and it is uneducated assertions like this that make more fundamentalist Vaishnavas misunderstands Advaita. I will agree that Advaitins don't cling to Bhakti the way that we Vaishnavas normally do. In reality, as i pointed out above to Bhaktajan-ji, Shankaracharya was a devotee of God and composed many many hymns to the Lord in many forms... Anyone who tries to divorce Vedanta from Bhakti is missing a key part of the philosophy. Furthermore, i'd like to posit that not only are they missing a key part they are also probably missing any kind of Hindu related God-Realization...
Hari Om
~Kuva~
I humbly yet strongly disagree with this assertion... Things in life are not always black and white. There can be a lot of grey area. Not everyone fits into two categories and despite the fact that i'm a Sri Vaishnava, i recognize a Nirguna as well as Saguna Brahman. Sri Adi Shankaracharya (the most famous proponent of Advaita) recognized God exists... After all, why would a learned scholar compose beautiful bhajans to Bhagavan if He didn't exist??? There is no logical way an individual can be Atheist and Theist at the same time. Maybe Agnostic or Non-theisitic but neither of those encompasses both sides of the spectrum completely... I really believe that the idea that there are two schools of thought comes from misunderstanding. Additionally, logically if those who believed in a Nirguna Brahman were atheists how could they claim "I am God" when according to your logic in their eyes there is no God? My final point is that anyone who says "I am God" obviously doesn't really understand Advaita and is most likely speaking from an egotistic standpoint not a God-Realized one...
I'm very sorry but the implication of your sentences above is the idea that Bhakti's only practiced by Vaishnavas... If you believe this to be true, you are very very sadly mistaken and it is uneducated assertions like this that make more fundamentalist Vaishnavas misunderstands Advaita. I will agree that Advaitins don't cling to Bhakti the way that we Vaishnavas normally do. In reality, as i pointed out above to Bhaktajan-ji, Shankaracharya was a devotee of God and composed many many hymns to the Lord in many forms... Anyone who tries to divorce Vedanta from Bhakti is missing a key part of the philosophy. Furthermore, i'd like to posit that not only are they missing a key part they are also probably missing any kind of Hindu related God-Realization...
Hari Om
~Kuva~
Kuvalya_Dharmasindhu
Nondualistic Bhakta
VAISHNAVISM: Buddha is an Incarnation of God
"Then, in the beginning of Kali-yuga, the Lord will appear as Lord Buddha, the son of Anjana, in the province of Gaya, just for the purpose of deluding those who are envious of the faithful theist."
Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.3.24
BAHA'I FAITH: Buddha is a Manifestation (or Messenger) of God
"The founder of Buddhism was a wonderful soul. He established the Oneness of God, but later the original principles of His doctrines gradually disappeared."
"You will realize that if the Divine light of truth shone in Jesus Christ it also shone in Moses and in Buddha. The earnest seeker will arrive at this truth."
-- 'Abdu'l-Baha
AHMADIYYA ISLAM: Buddha is a Prophet or Messenger of God
"Buddha and Jesus were both holy prophets of God who appeared in their own times for the spiritual rejuvenation of the people to whom they were sent. Buddha appeared in India about six hundred years before Jesus. In both were found a purity of life, sanctity of character and patient endurance under fierce persecution."
-- Bashir Ahmad Orchard
LOL You're like a encyclopedia of religious historical thought! And it's absolutely inspiring, Dear One! :bow:
Very true. I am a pantheist (essentially advaita), but I do not say "I am God"; I can't say that because I still identify with this body; this individuality. At best I can say "I am a part of God."