• Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:
    • Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
    • Our modern chat room. No add-ons or extensions required, just login and start chatting!
    • Access to private conversations with other members.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!

Leviticus: Seedbed of NT Theology

S

smokydot

Well-Known Member
con't from post #280, also here ---> http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/2356938-post280.html
angellous_evangellous said:
Here's what I think:
. . .I personally don't think that Jesus understood himself as the Messiah
Click to expand...
Here's what I think:

Jesus said (Mt 12:3, 5, 19:4, 21:16) "Have you not read. . .

Mt 1:21 --" She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sin."

Lk 2:11 -- "Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is Messiah, the Lord."
[You don't think Joseph and Mary told him these things?]

Lk 24:26 -- Jesus said, "Did not the Messiah have to suffer these things and then enter his glory?"​

Lk 24:46 -- Jesus said, "This is what is written: The Messiah will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day."​

Mt 16:15-17 -- Jesus said, "Who do you say I am? Simon Peter answered, "You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God."
Jesus said, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was. . .revealed to you by my Father in heaven."​

Mt 16:20 -- Jesus warned his disciples not to tell anyone that he was the Messiah.​

Lk 4:41 -- Jesus "would not allow the demons to speak because they knew he was the Messiah."​

Lk 23:2 -- This man claims to be Messiah, a king."​

Lk 19:10 -- Jesus said, "For the Son of Man came to seek and to save what was lot."

Jn 3:17 -- Jesus said, "For God sent his Son into the world. . .to save the world through him."

Jn 1:29 -- "John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, 'Behold the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!"

Jn 3:13, 6:38, 42, 62 -- Jesus said, "I came down from heaven."

Mt 20:28, 26:28, Jn 10:11 -- Jesus said, "I came to die as a ransom for the sins of many."

Mt 9:2-6 -- Jesus said, "I have power to forgive sin."

Jn 5:22, 27, 8:26, 12:48, Mt 25:31-33 -- Jesus said, "I have authority to judge all mankind."

Jn 14:6, 5:25-26, 6:39-40 -- Jesus said, "I am the exclusive way to the Father, I am the source of all life and truth."

I also think you either do not know the NT. . .or you do not believe it. . .or both. . .which automatically excludes you from truly understanding it.

I think you traffic in latter-day heretical novel speculations 2,000 years after the fact.

I think you are abysmally ignorant of Scripture and grossly theologically inept.

Jesus said: "You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God." (Mk 12:24)

Jesus said: "Go and learn what they mean." (Mt 9:13)

And I say: "Stop darkening the counsel of God with your lack of Biblical knowledge, gross theological ineptitude, and heretical novel speculations."
 
Last edited:
S

smokydot

Well-Known Member
angellous_evangellous said:
To smoky: thanks for starting this thread so these ideas don't derail other threads.
To all other readers: Please note that this is not normative Christian theology. We can't keep people from embarrassing themselves: where the OP is not anti-Semitic it's profoundly irrational.
Click to expand...
Looks like someone is trying to extend "authority" as a "staff" member to "authority" over the Scriptures and orthodox Reformed NT theology. . .on both of which he is abysmally ignorant, and exhibits gross theological ineptitude. . .as can be seen in responses on this thread.

I'm really not sure what is the control issue of this respondent. . .in trying to police your understanding of the Biblical presentations here. . .as though you are too ignorant
to evaluate them for yourself. . .one wonders what is his invested interest here. . .my guess is, since he doesn't believe Scripture is the Word of God,
he doesn't want anyone presenting it without the imprimatur of his personal unorthodoxy, and is using his staff "position" to lend authority to his ignorance.
So, first cracker outa' the box, I've had to deal with what I had hoped to avoid on this thread. . .his red herring above, one of the elements of his admitted gamey MO.

That MO is documented in, and a very brief summary of it is provided after this link: http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/2337583-post1376.html.
Depending on how much you cross reference in it, it's a long read, covering six months of his admitted gamey MO, abysmal ignorance of Scripture and gross theological ineptitude. . .so pop up some corn, pour up your favorite beverage, and have a read.
And, in addition, you'll get to evaluate his knowledge of Scripture in the responses made on this thread. . .post #346 immediately above being a good example,

also here ---> http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/2362927-post346.html
_____________________________________

To all readers: Please note that this respondent:

(1) has admitted his gamey MO in response to my posts on Scripture;
(2) manifests gross theological ineptitude. . .for this is normative orthodox Reformed Christian theology from the NT letter to the Hebrews, going all the way back to the 1600's, and of which, in his gross theologocial ineptitude, he is completely ignorant. . .he knows zip about Scripture and orthodox (Reformed) Christian theology;
(3) holds to many unorthodox latter-day speculative notions, which have no basis in Scripture, and are only his sophomoric conjectures. . .2000 years after the fact;
(4) does not believe the orthodox Reformed Christian tenet that Scripture is the Word of God written, but contrary to Jesus and the apostles, says the tenet is heresy;
(5) believes that Paul's theology is just a rationale for leaving Judaism to keep the law more painlessly in the "Jesus movement," demonstrating gross ignorance
even of the gospel itself; i.e., of free grace, through faith alone, in Jesus Christ;
(6) denies the revelation in the NT letter to the Hebrews of the OT's "shadows of things to come" (Heb 10:1) in Christ, as well as the letter's many explanations of the prefigures (types) of Jesus in the OT. See some of the types here ---> http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/2320006-post527.html.

I will not be refuting in detail his gamey MO of ridicule, red herrings, false charges, sidetracks, scorning, mocking, etc. which has gone on for six months now,
and will assuredly continue here, in lieu of making a substantive theological argument from Scripture, of both of which he is abysmally ignorant.

I trust the reader can evaluate the Biblical evidence for himself, and make his own decision regarding its accurate correspondence to the Scriptures.
I will present it. . .the reader gets to decide its truth for himself. . .and to deal with the attempted control of the thought police.
 
esmith

esmith

Veteran Member
Yep; OK smokey; here goes.
I agree that when you quote a passage in the Bible you have quoted it as it is written in your Bible.
 
A

angellous_evangellous

Guest
Songbird said:
Good god, man, your staying power is admirable. I can see how your dissertation would be one million times the approved length. (That's about how long you said it was?)
Click to expand...

At last count, I thought it would be approximately 1000 pages with the 250 page limit.

At the halfway point, I'm at 300 pages with 700 footnotes and about 850 bibliographic entries. I thought that I had a lot more... I hope I didn't delete a chapter or something....

Now it looks like it will be around 600 pages or so - give or take. :shrug:
 
Songbird

Songbird

She rules her life like a bird in flight
angellous_evangellous said:
At last count, I thought it would be approximately 1000 pages with the 250 page limit.

At the halfway point, I'm at 300 pages with 700 footnotes and about 850 bibliographic entries. I thought that I had a lot more... I hope I didn't delete a chapter or something....

Now it looks like it will be around 600 pages or so - give or take. :shrug:
Click to expand...

Wow, that's effin impressive, Angellous. I hope you get a massive vacation when it's done.
 
S

smokydot

Well-Known Member
quote=Songbird;2363482]Good god, man, your staying power is admirable[/quote]That's in lieu of Biblical knowledge and understanding, or theological ability.
 
Last edited:
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top