Errors And Contradictions In Bible

Ron68 said:

Creation of the World
(f) Bible. Book of Genesis. Chapter 1. Verse 20 to 23:Here again Science has a problem with Bible. Bible says that the winged birds came on the Fifth Day and that too along with the fish. But Bible also says that it was on the Sixth Day that the Animals came on the earth. Coming of the birds before the coming of animals is not acceptable to science. According to science the fish came first, then animals came, and then came the birds—in that sequence. Bible is full of defects. And lately the Vatican has begun to accept the defects.

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"Scientists" love to invent things, Ron; and they love to put the cart before the horse and call it rear-engine manufacturing. Like they did the Renault. We get what we deserve when we pick Darwin over Deity, Jung over Jesus, Freud over the Father, Biology over the Bible, etc.

Ron68 said:

Creation of the World
(g) Bible Book of Genesis. Chapter 1. Verses 24 to 31:
Here again the sequence of events, according to science is other way round.

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Only in a laboratory.

Is Bible really the word of GOD?

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Yes

There is plenty of human manipulation.

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Give Satan some credit, Ron.

Ron68 said:

Creation of the World
(h) Bible. Book of Genesis Chapter 2 Verse 1 to 3:- “Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array.
By the Seventh Day GOD had finished the work he had been doing; so on the Seventh Day he rested from all his work.
And GOD blessed the Seventh Day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.”
Here comes the human manipulation. Allude an act to GOD so that it becomes justifiable for folks to follow it. Men willingly believe in what they themselves wish for. Much later Mark at 2:27 said, “Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.” The truth is that Sabbath is for man not for God.
If GOD did it, why should not they also do it. A typical Jewish line of thinking. It is also worth bringing to the notice of our readers that these three verses (Chapter 2 Verse 1-3) did not exist in the earlier YAHVIST text of Bible. It is a later addition in Bible by Jews. Why?

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You've lost me on this one. Are you advocating a 7-day work week? Or are you saying God had no right to "rest" on the 7th day and we do, or what? And why is that a "typical line of Jewish thinking"? The Jews are 10 times more industrious than anyone around. They can turn deserts in forests, landfills into tourist attractions, jungles into paradises. In EVERY country they've gone to, they've elevated that country's GNP and made that country a viable place to stay. Why is America so great today? Because the Abrahamic Covenant is still in effect (Genesis 12:1-3). The Jews are more than welcome here, in my book.

Ron68 said:

Creation of the World
We know that all the days that are mentioned in Bible in the creation of the universe are very long periods of time spread over million and millions of years.

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Who's "we" in your quote? After all, "scientists" invented Play-Doh, Gumby, and Etch-a-Sketch. So I guess they can invent a million-year 24-hour period, too.

Melody said:

Ron,
I'm just going to cut to the chase because my answer to most of your "errors" is that God can do anything he wants and if you see it as a contradiction, that's your problem...not His.

I am curious though. It was my understanding that the Muslims claim of following the God of Abraham is that they accept the Tanakh as truth. Since, if I understand correctly, the Christian Old Testament is the same as the Tanakh, you must also be saying that the Tanakh is also in error?

If that is the case, then isn't the whole book suspect and, if so, what are your beliefs founded on?

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I believe you mean my dear respected sister the Torah which are the books given to Moses. Muslims believe in the Torah(books given to Moses) Zaboor( books given to David) Injeel( gospel of Jesus) and the Qur'an( final revalation of God to man) but we say they do not have these in there original forms. Do the Jews have the Torah no I believe and please one of my Jewish bretheren correct me if I am wrong the Talmud. The Bible which is supposed to contain the Books of David and Jesus are not in their original state. Allah says man changed the word of God for thier own worldly gain so he sent the last Message ie. the Qur'an to clear up the errors put in by the authors whoever they may be because the scholars of Christianity as I am told are unsure as to the author but it is believed to be so and so. That is why as the brother earlier has stated there are so many contradictions causing confusion as to what is allowed and what is not. This happened this way or it happened this way. He said this and He said that not agreeing with each other. There are many books that delve into this arena but your Christian bretheren. Let me know if you have any questions.

Scott1 said:

Is this part of the "true spirit of charity which the Muslim displays?"

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Hi Scott, you sure do like changing your atvar, I like that one

Mujahid Mohammed said:

Allah says man changed the word of God for thier own worldly gain so he sent the last Message ie. the Qur'an to clear up the errors put in by the authors whoever they may be because the scholars of Christianity as I am told are unsure as to the author but it is believed to be so and so. .

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I have a question, do you have any evidence for this apart from telling us "what Allah said?"

Malus01 said:

I have a question, do you have any evidence for this apart from telling us "what Allah said?"

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hi dear Malus,

I'll start my post with Allah and his words to jews and christians ...

, "They (i.e. Jews and Christians) changed words from their contexts and forgot a good part of the message given to them, and you will continue to find them -except a few among them- bent on new deceits…"
(al-Ma'idah: 13)

"Distorting Divine Revelation and Allah's Sacred Books. Allah says in this regard: 'Therefore woe be unto those who write the Scripture with their hands and say, 'This is from Allah,' that they may purchase a small gain therewith. Woe unto them for what their hands have written, and woe unto them for what they earn thereby.' (Al-Baqara: 79)


'The Jews say: Allah's hand is fettered. [But it is] their hands that are fettered and they are accursed for saying [Allah's hands are fettered]. Nay, but both His hands are spread out wide in bounty. He bestoweth as He will' (Al-Ma'idah: 64)

In another verse, Almighty Allah says: 'Verily, Allah heard the words of those who said, (when asked for contributions to the war): 'Allah, forsooth, is poor, and we are rich! We shall record their words with their wrongful slaying of the Prophets and we shall say: Taste ye the punishment of burning!' (Al-'Imran: 181)

"They love to listen to lies. Concerning this Allah says: 'And of the Jews: listeners for the sake of falsehood, listeners on behalf of other folk.'
(Al-Ma'idah: 41)

: '… [They] distort the Scripture with their tongues, that ye may think that what they say is from the Scripture, when it is not from the Scripture.' (Al-'Imran: 78)

"Rebelling against the Prophets and rejecting their guidance. This is clear in the verse: 'And when ye said: O Moses! We will not believe in thee till we see Allah plainly.' (Al-Baqarah: 55)

'And when they fall in with those who believe, they say: We believe; but when they go apart to their devils they declare: Lo! we are with you; verily we did but mock.' (Al-Baqarah: 14)

In another verse, we read: 'Enjoin ye righteousness upon mankind while ye yourselves forget (to practice it)? And ye are readers of the Scripture! Have ye then no sense?' (Al-Baqarah: 44)

"They are known for their arrogance and haughtiness. They claim to be the sons and of Allah and His beloved ones. Allah tells us about this in the verse that reads: 'The Jews and Christians say: We are sons of Allah and His loved ones.' (Al-Ma'idah: 18)

'Some of those who are Jews change words from their context and say: We hear and disobey; hear thou as one who heareth not, and Listen to us!, distorting with their tongues and slandering religion. If they had said: We hear and we obey; hear thou, and look at us, it had been better for them, and more upright. But Allah hath cursed them for their disbelief, so they believe not, save for a few.' (An-Nisa':46)

"They are merciless and heartless. In this meaning, the Qur'anic verse explains: 'Then, even after that, your hearts were hardened and became as rocks, or worse than rocks, for hardness.' (Al-Baqarah: 74)

and i'll end my post with the solution from almighty God.

, "O People of the Book, now has come to you Our Messenger, clarifying to you much of that you used to conceal of the Book and passing over much (that is now unnecessary)." (al-Ma'idah 5:15)


Peace ...

Malus01 said:

do you have any evidence for this apart from telling us "what Allah said?"

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I'll start my post with Allah and his words

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Allah says in this regard:

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In another verse, Almighty Allah says:

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and i'll end my post with the solution from almighty God

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:sarcastic

Forget I asked...

The Truth said:

I'll start my post with Allah and his words to jews and christians ...

"They (i.e. Jews and Christians) changed words from their contexts and forgot a good part of the message given to them, and you will continue to find them -except a few among them- bent on new deceits…"
(al-Ma'idah: 13)

"Distorting Divine Revelation and Allah's Sacred Books. Allah says in this regard: 'Therefore woe be unto those who write the Scripture with their hands and say, 'This is from Allah,' that they may purchase a small gain therewith. Woe unto them for what their hands have written, and woe unto them for what they earn thereby.' (Al-Baqara: 79)


'The Jews say: Allah's hand is fettered. [But it is] their hands that are fettered and they are accursed for saying [Allah's hands are fettered]. Nay, but both His hands are spread out wide in bounty. He bestoweth as He will' (Al-Ma'idah: 64)

In another verse, Almighty Allah says: 'Verily, Allah heard the words of those who said, (when asked for contributions to the war): 'Allah, forsooth, is poor, and we are rich! We shall record their words with their wrongful slaying of the Prophets and we shall say: Taste ye the punishment of burning!' (Al-'Imran: 181)

"They love to listen to lies. Concerning this Allah says: 'And of the Jews: listeners for the sake of falsehood, listeners on behalf of other folk.'
(Al-Ma'idah: 41)

: '… [They] distort the Scripture with their tongues, that ye may think that what they say is from the Scripture, when it is not from the Scripture.' (Al-'Imran: 78)

"Rebelling against the Prophets and rejecting their guidance. This is clear in the verse: 'And when ye said: O Moses! We will not believe in thee till we see Allah plainly.' (Al-Baqarah: 55)

'And when they fall in with those who believe, they say: We believe; but when they go apart to their devils they declare: Lo! we are with you; verily we did but mock.' (Al-Baqarah: 14)

In another verse, we read: 'Enjoin ye righteousness upon mankind while ye yourselves forget (to practice it)? And ye are readers of the Scripture! Have ye then no sense?' (Al-Baqarah: 44)

"They are known for their arrogance and haughtiness. They claim to be the sons and of Allah and His beloved ones. Allah tells us about this in the verse that reads: 'The Jews and Christians say: We are sons of Allah and His loved ones.' (Al-Ma'idah: 18)

'Some of those who are Jews change words from their context and say: We hear and disobey; hear thou as one who heareth not, and Listen to us!, distorting with their tongues and slandering religion. If they had said: We hear and we obey; hear thou, and look at us, it had been better for them, and more upright. But Allah hath cursed them for their disbelief, so they believe not, save for a few.' (An-Nisa':46)

"They are merciless and heartless. In this meaning, the Qur'anic verse explains: 'Then, even after that, your hearts were hardened and became as rocks, or worse than rocks, for hardness.' (Al-Baqarah: 74)

and i'll end my post with the solution from almighty God.

"O People of the Book, now has come to you Our Messenger, clarifying to you much of that you used to conceal of the Book and passing over much (that is now unnecessary)."[ (al-Ma'idah 5:15)

Peace ...

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Note the stream of theocratically institutionalized antisemitic garbage. Now note the closing word, and consider the culture that spawns such pervasive hypocrisy.

Jayhawker Soule said:

Note the stream of theocratically institutionalized antisemitic garbage. Now note the closing word, and consider the culture that spawns such pervasive hypocrisy.

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garbage?


hypocrasy?

I'm just going to cut to the chase because my answer to most of your "errors" is that God can do anything he wants and if you see it as a contradiction, that's your problem...not His.

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Instead of a score of errors, I'll just ask about one error (note: this question is only useful to those who think the Bible is inerrant).

When Joab reported a census of the millitary to David, how many men did Joab claim there were?

Are you saying otherwise than in Israel there were 800.000, and in Judah 500,000.

Malus01 said:

Are you saying otherwise than in Israel there were 800.000, and in Judah 500,000.

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So you think that 1Chr 21:5 is wrong when it says that Joab reported 1,100,000 (including 470,000 in Judah)?

There you go, an error in the Bible. 1Chr 21:5.

So you think that 1Chr 21:5 is wrong when it says that Joab reported 1,100,000 (including 470,000 in Judah)?

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Yep. Just me.

The point is that it was a 24-hour period. One rotation of the Earth on its axis.

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Says who? The Bible never says one 24 hour period.

either way, people who look for errors in the Bible will find them. You always get what you want. Remidns me of a quote "The man who believes he can and the man who believes he can't are both right". Well the man who looks for truth and the man who looks for errors both find them. It is jsut a question of whteher or not your looking to see what it says or looking to find something in it.

either way, people who look for errors in the Bible will find them. You always get what you want. Remidns me of a quote "The man who believes he can and the man who believes he can't are both right". Well the man who looks for truth and the man who looks for errors both find them. It is jsut a question of whteher or not your looking to see what it says or looking to find something in it.

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So, in the truthful Bible, how many men did Joab report to David?

All the books of the Abrahamic beleif's have contradictions and errors. Before any starts to try and debate me, let me point you to a couple of websites. Please read them all and explain all those contradictions away and then we can debate rationally.
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html
http://www.greenwych.ca/bible-a.htm
http://answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/
http://www.carm.org/islam/Koran_contradictions.htm
http://www.lwbc.co.uk/koran.htm
http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/koran.html
http://www.secularislam.org/guide/mirza.htm

Again go to the links read the contradictions try to explain them or tell which is true and then we can debate. Have fun reading you may learn something.... But I doubt it, because most of you are religious zealots.

Radar said:

Again go to the links read the contradictions try to explain them or tell which is true and then we can debate. Have fun reading you may learn something.... But I doubt it, because most of you are religious zealots.

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What a rude little man ...

Jayhawker Soule said:

What a rude little man ...

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Ok.... I was not trying to be rude. I guess it is just how you take it.