Besides the practice of reading Scripture, the people of Acts [17vs11] searched or researches the Scriptures daily to see if what they were hearing was what the Bible really teaches.
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how does a christian understand the bible?
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Besides the practice of reading Scripture, the people of Acts [17vs11] searched or researches the Scriptures daily to see if what they were hearing was what the Bible really teaches.
waitasec
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but comprehension involves interpretation and it also involves understanding the circumstances surrounding the oral traditions...
that's not very studious of you biblestudent....
Was Timothy talking about monetary support or support by honor and respect?
What verse do you have in mind?
Paul made tents so as not to be a burden to the flock.
There was no paid clergy class in the first century.
Jesus did Not think the teachings of a bunch of Pharisees [religious leaders] should hold such authority. We can see that by the many 'woes' Jesus pronounced against them along with his reasons for saying those 'woes'.
-Matthew chapter 23.
The only time Jesus 'passed the plate', so to speak was to feed the people bread and fish.
but comprehension involves interpretation and it also involves understanding the circumstances surrounding the oral traditions...
The Hebrew OT Scriptures were not oral but written.
The Pharisees were teaching oral over the written,
and Jesus condemned them for it. -Mark 7v7,13; Matthew chapter 23.
waitasec
Veteran Member
According to Rabbinic Judaism, the oral Torah, oral Law, or oral tradition (Hebrew: תורה שבעל פה, Torah she-be-`al peh) was given by God orally to Moses in conjunction with the written Torah (Hebrew: תורה שבכתב, Torah she-bi-khtav), after which it was passed down orally through the ages. Later to be codified and written in the Talmud.
Oral Torah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
and what were the circumstances surrounding this bronze age ideal?
ignorance of the mico world and the cosmos...
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
waitasec
Veteran Member
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
exactly, where else...
have you ever wondered why absolutely nothing was written down in the Hebrew scriptures about the so-called oral laws?
instead we find this
Deut 4:1-2 And now, O Israel, listen to the regulations and the judicial decisions that I am teaching YOU to do, ... 2 YOU must not add to the word that I am commanding YOU, neither must YOU take away from it
Deut 12:32 Every word that I am commanding YOU is what YOU should be careful to do. YOU must not add to it nor take away from it
Prov 30:5-6 Every saying of God is refined. ...6 Add nothing to his words, that he may not reprove you, and that you may not have to be proved a liar
Joshua 1:7 Only be courageous and very strong to take care to do according to all the law that Moses my servant commanded you. Do not turn aside from it
This whole 'oral law' business is a little fishy if you ask me.
waitasec
Veteran Member
well, never put anything in writing if you don't want it to bite you in the arse...
for what it's worth pegg, laws are governed by integrity and dignity. 2 human traits that are highly underrated by religious faith.
starlite
Texasgirl
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The Mosaic Law clearly left primary religious authority and instruction in the hands of the priests, the descendants of Aaron. (Leviticus 10:8-11; Deuteronomy 24:8; 2 Chronicles 26:16-20; Malachi 2:7) Through the centuries, however, some priests became unfaithful and corrupt. During the era of Greek domination, many priests compromised on religious issues. In the second century B.C.E., the Phariseesa new group within Judaism that distrusted the priesthoodbegan instituting traditions by which the common man could consider himself as holy as the priest. These traditions appealed to many, but they were an unacceptable addition to the Law.Deuteronomy 4:2; 12:32 (13:1 in Jewish editions).[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]The Pharisees became the new scholars of the Law, doing the job that they felt the priests were not doing. Since the Mosaic Law did not allow for their authority, they developed new methods of interpreting Scripture through cryptic allusions and by other methods seemingly supporting their views. As the chief caretakers and promoters of these traditions, they created a new base of authority in Israel. By the first century C.E., the Pharisees had become a dominant force in Judaism.[/FONT]
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As they collected existing oral traditions and searched for Scriptural implication to establish more of their own, the Pharisees saw the need to give added authority to their activity. A new concept regarding the origin of these traditions was born. The rabbis began to teach: Moses received Torah at Sinai and handed it on to Joshua, Joshua to elders, and elders to prophets. And prophets handed it on to the men of the great assembly.Avot 1:1, the Mishnah.[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]In saying, Moses received Torah, the rabbis were referring not only to the written laws but to all their oral traditions. They claimed that these traditionsinvented and developed by menwere given to Moses by God at Sinai. And they taught that God had not left it up to men to fill in the gaps but had orally defined what the written Law had left unsaid. According to them, Moses passed this oral law down through the generations, not to the priests, but to other leaders. The Pharisees themselves claimed to be the natural inheritors of this unbroken chain of authority.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Jesus, whose God-given authority was questioned by the Jewish religious leaders, had foretold the destruction of the temple. (Matthew 23:3724:2) After the Romans destroyed the temple in 70 C.E., the requirements of the Mosaic Law involving sacrifices and priestly service could no longer be met. All records had been lost.[/FONT]
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Rather than seeing these events as evidence that Jesus was the Messiah, the Pharisees found another solution. They had already usurped much of the authority of the priesthood. With the temple destroyed, they could go one step further. The rabbinic academy at Yavneh became the center for a reorganized Sanhedrinthe Jewish high court. Under the leadership of Yohanan ben Zakkai and Gamaliel II at Yavneh, Judaism was completely restructured. The Pharisees reasoned that the oral law given to Moses at Sinai had already foreseen and made provision for this.[/FONT]
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Rabbinic academies took on added prominence. Their main curriculum was intense discussion, memorization, and application of the oral law. Previously, the basis for the oral law was tied to Scripture interpretationMidrash. Now, the ever-increasing traditions that were accumulating began to be taught and organized separately. Each ruling of the oral law was reduced to short, easily memorized phrases, often set to a melody. All in all, this man-made method was in opposition to God's original instruction[/FONT]
waitasec
Veteran Member
are you surprised?
when a small group of people assume power over a larger group without being held accountable abuse of power is always to be expected.
open any history book.
no one is capable of being more moral than anyone else, agreed?
humans are innately arrogant, agreed?
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a symptom of arrogance, imo..."god is on my side, so i'm right and you're wrong"
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
well, never put anything in writing if you don't want it to bite you in the arse...
for what it's worth pegg, laws are governed by integrity and dignity. 2 human traits that are highly underrated by religious faith.
i'd actually be more inclined to conclude that religion itself sets the highest of ideals and promotes the highest of ideals
unfortunately though, most of the people who are at the helm often have ulterior motives and not the best of intentions ...they use something good, something that good people will put their whole heart and soul into, and they will drain it for every penny its worth and in doing so they turn what is good into something that is obscene.
Ben Masada
Well-Known Member
A Christian understands the Bible through the Hellenistic mind of the Greek writers of the NT.
waitasec
Veteran Member
but those ideals come from us...
this thought of promoting the highest of ideals, leans toward a moral superiority...a false sense of importance.
no one is more capable of being more moral than the next guy.
and to suggest one has "god on their side" makes them more capable then i suggest a false sense of importance with nothing to back up their claim that separates their ability from mine.
there are also deviants in the world...but that is not the norm only an exception to the rule... a rule we set up for ourselves.
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
The historian Origen wrote that Matthew originally wrote his gospel in Hebrew for the Hebrew speaking jews. But just to add, I meant that there were no 'Greek People' who wrote the NT...they were all Jews.
starlite
Texasgirl
The book of Matthew was apparently written first in Biblical Hebrew, to serve the Jewish people. The fourth-century Bible translator Jerome states this, saying that it was later translated into Greek. Matthew himself probably made this translationhaving been a Roman civil servant, a tax collector, he without doubt knew Hebrew, Latin, and Greek.Mark 2:14-17.
Biblestudent_007
Active Member
The actual authors of the Synoptic Gospels were the few specific disciples of Christ.
St. Matthew is the author of the book of Matthew, St. Mark the author of the book of Mark and so on.
If one were to reach the biblical expertise of say St. Jerome he would have to devote himself to years of meticulous study of different translations.
starlite
Texasgirl
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]WHAT exactly did the apostle Paul mean when he said that the Bible is inspired of God? Paul, writing in the Greek language, used a word that literally means God-breathed. By that, Paul meant that God by means of his holy spirit guided the Bible writers to write only what He wanted them to write. These Bible writers spoke from God as they were borne along by holy spirit, said the apostle Peter. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif](2 Timothy 3:16) All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness,[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif](2 Peter 1:21) For prophecy was at no time brought by mans will, but men spoke from God as they were borne along by holy spirit.[/FONT]
waitasec
Veteran Member
interesting...
and i got some land i'd like to sell ya
interested?
paul also claimed jesus was coming back within his lifetime...
but of course, since jesus' followers are still waiting that's not what he meant...