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The New Missal Translation?

Jordan St. Francis

Well-Known Member
What do you think? Since I consider the Missal of Paul VI to be an unmitigated travesty, I'm looking forward to it (hopefully) going some ways in giving the Mass a sense of solemnity and dignity worthy of the notion of divine sacrifice, though I understand the arguments that this translation is somewhat flawed.

Were it up to me, if translation HAD to happen, the 1962 rite would have just been translated directly into an hieratic English. I've been occasionally attending an Anglo Catholic parish (as well the old Mass) and can't help but feel we Romans have really lost our way liturgically.
 

Quiddity

UndertheInfluenceofGiants
I don't have much to compare it to; so I don't know how I'd feel about it (only been catholic for 7 years). I know some catholics attend a Traditional Latin Mass and that is probably closer to what you are talking about no? I can't say I'm in the camp of catholics who spends much time looking for liturgical abuses. If it's really blatant and of great abuse I will say something but I personally think some of us catholics spend far too much time on liturgical abuses and it can affect our personal worship.

The "back in my days..." crowd in the Church who leave parishes for a more Orthodox parish are boardering on Sedevacantist, St. Pius X, and [or] Feeneyite type of behaivor. This can be very damaging to the Church and they tend to forget that we can forget that the Mass is God's before it is ours.

Sorry, I know that's more then what you asked for......:eek:
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
What do you think? Since I consider the Missal of Paul VI to be an unmitigated travesty, I'm looking forward to it (hopefully) going some ways in giving the Mass a sense of solemnity and dignity worthy of the notion of divine sacrifice, though I understand the arguments that this translation is somewhat flawed.
Really? The people on the Catholic Answers podcast have been saying that this translation is an improvement over the previous one. Do you know what the concerns are with this new translation?
 

Jordan St. Francis

Well-Known Member
Penguin,
First of all, I recommend no one listen to Catholic Answers! lol. Personally, I think they represent a very shallow and fideistic Catholicism that prizes the politics of identity craft over genuine spirituality.

I do believe this translation is an improvement. The argument made by some (typically the progressives) is that it too closely approximates the Latin syntax, which therefore sounds awkward in English. There are a few instances where I prefer the old translation to what we will now receive.

However, on the whole I think the 1970 translation was dominated by an ideology that sought to down play or purge a sense of the spiritual, as well as personal culpability for sin, the reality of sin and the need for repentance--- finding these concepts perhaps repugnant to modern ears. But they have always been such an intrinsic part of the Roman rite.

But, even with this new translation I am not happy with the Missal of Paul VI, period. I do believe that in the rush to be "ever-so-relevant", the Catholic Church has (in large measure) turned its back on its own rich heritage- something for which we are paying for today.

The error has been quietly realized. There are presently attempts to reinvigorate the religion by reaching back and compensating, but in so doing, large bouts of reactionary, neo-conservative ideology are being snuck in and made to be normative. My fear is that we will end up with a pseudo, superficial "traditional looking" Catholicism that is, however thoroughly modern/ reactionary at its core---the very opposite of what Paul VI intended and the ultimate irony of traditionalism today. Such an outcome might, in my opinion, be the danger and unforeseen consequence of the ideological bomb of Vatican II .

What began as an attempt to overhaul the ethos of the Catholic religion--- to make it more of a "shinning light" to the modern world--- could end as the Church's own perverse modernity, a kind of farce or parody of traditional religion as seen through comic modern eyes. The joke, of course, would be on us.

The ethos of a spiritual tradition develops organically, it is never "legislated" by councils, scholars and popes.

For me, this illustrates the hubris of Church leaders and Western intellectuals who thought they understood so well the dynamics of history and the real substance of Catholic tradition that they imagined it a putty in their hands to shape according to the moment. Well, it has misshapen.

What passes today in most parishes for the Roman Mass would have been slandered as Protestant heresy worthy of shunning only a hundred years ago.
 
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9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Penguin,
First of all, I recommend no one listen to Catholic Answers! lol. Personally, I think they represent a very shallow and fideistic Catholicism that prizes the politics of identity craft over genuine spirituality.
Heh - I mainly listen for the "Q & A for non-Catholics" episodes... but this gives me an idea for another thread.

Thanks for expanding on your thoughts about the new missal, BTW.
 
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