sandy whitelinger
Veteran Member
I thought that at one time as well but futher study shows that evolution does not take as long as I suspected.
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Do you believe in evolution
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painted wolf
Grey Muzzle
Most plant phyla (called divisions) don't show up until well after the Cambrian... one doesn't show up until the Cretaceous.
Many animal phyla are not known from the Cambrian fossil record. The phyla Tardigrada doesn't appear until the Cretaceous. (these are best known as "water bears")
Some others haven't left any fossils we have been able to find: Kinorhyncha for example.
wa:do
Many animal phyla are not known from the Cambrian fossil record. The phyla Tardigrada doesn't appear until the Cretaceous. (these are best known as "water bears")
Some others haven't left any fossils we have been able to find: Kinorhyncha for example.
wa:do
Commoner
Headache
Have you ever seen a flying squirrel?
painted wolf
Grey Muzzle
What is a "fully developed wing"?
I mean Anchiornis here is older than Archeopteryx and has "wings" that aren't capable of flight... plus pseudo-wings on it's hind legs. Would these count as "half wings"?
What is really cool is that this fossil is so well preserved we can even tell what color the feathers were! No more guessing about your dino colors here. :woohoo:
wa:do
I mean Anchiornis here is older than Archeopteryx and has "wings" that aren't capable of flight... plus pseudo-wings on it's hind legs. Would these count as "half wings"?
What is really cool is that this fossil is so well preserved we can even tell what color the feathers were! No more guessing about your dino colors here. :woohoo:
wa:do
Rainbow Mage
Lib Democrat/Agnostic/Epicurean-ish/Buddhist-ish
I reject natural selection because it seems to try to establish that humans becoming the dominant species was totally by chance. Maybe an Atheist can believe that, but if you believe gods, any gods, have co-existed with humans through the millenia and tried to help us evolve higher, it wasn't an accident, but something they orchestrated.
Commoner
Headache
I done believe in them gods, so I ain't no monkey!
How about when facts conflict with your beliefs, you change your beliefs, not ignore the facts?
painted wolf
Grey Muzzle
Dan4reason
Facts not Faith
Natural selection actually.
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
that is a whole lot of speculation and assumption ... this is the part of evolution that I really dont agree with. its when they start saying this particular bird became that particular dinosaur without any proof...lots of pretty pictures but no real evidence.
You realise that there are still birds around with wings that are not for flying and there are birds around that look very similar to anchiorris...what makes you so sure that anchiorris became dinosaurs and not simply continued to develop into the birds we see today?
And? Not random, natural selection or God. I choose God.
Not quite by chance, Proud, by selective breeding.
"Evolve higher?" This notion of directionality is a common misconception, but this idea of human exceptionality is an artifact of religious mythology, not biology.
Even given the existence of a Divine Agent actively meddling with His own physical laws, why do you rule out natural selection as His modus operendi?
EverChanging
Well-Known Member
In short, the cornerstone of biology is evolution. Evolution is also confirmed in various other fields of scientific discipline. I could not possibly make sense of the world and everything I've learned in my studies in diverse topics without the scientific theory (note that I said scientific theory) of evolution.
Venatoris
Active Member
I agree with(not believe in) evolution because I have yet to see an intelligent person present a plausible explanation to the contrary. I have heard a number of ridiculous theories that try to disprove evolution but they are so transparently religiously motivated(grammatically incorrect?) that I have to trust evolution... for now.
Dan4reason
Facts not Faith
Well, we actually observe natural selection in nature while we have no evidence for God at all.
I see it as a plan that was made to succeed.
painted wolf
Grey Muzzle
I was asking what a "half-wing" was and giving you an example of a creature with something along the developmental path to becoming a "wing". n
I didn't say that particular dinosaur became any particular bird.
I agree it's a pretty picture.... it's a beautiful fossil and does away with a lot of speculation. For example, the feathers keep their color producing molecules and by looking at them under the microscope you can tell what color the animal was.
in very general ways they look similar... in the same way that a marsupial mouse looks like a house mouse... but that is why you never judge by outside appearance alone. If you look at the skeleton you see some profound differences that show it was just outside of being a bird.
Anchiornis didn't become a dinosaur... it IS a dinosaur.
And it's cousins did continue to develop into the birds we see today.
wa:do
Dan4reason
Facts not Faith
How is natural selection a plan? It is anything but planned.
