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How does one know what comes after death if they haven't died yet?

Rainbow Mage

Rainbow Mage

Lib Democrat/Agnostic/Epicurean-ish/Buddhist-ish
I mean yeah the Egyptians had myths about it, but I don't really take them literally. I'm not sure I take the Buddhist version literally either. I'm agnostic about life after death.

Do you know? Have you died yet to find out, or are you still here?
 
LuisDantas

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
It is a matter of sheer logic to me. Ancient egyptian beliefs aside, it seems pretty obvious that bodies do not resume life. Minds, feelings and memories are fragile enough while one is alive, so I doubt they survive the body either.

Therefore, I'm certain that there is no "other life" as such. Maybe there is some sort of residual psychic noise, although I doubt it and would not lend it any religious significance even if I knew of its existence as a fact.

There is life after death... but not as ressurrection or reincarnation, and certainly not for deceased individuals. Death is final for the individual people, and that is a good thing, too. Life, however, does not depend on individual people.

I'm not sure why so many people make so much noise about such a simple and minor matter. Maybe it is difficult to accept death?
 
Penumbra

Penumbra

Veteran Member
Premium Member
LuisDantas said:
It is a matter of sheer logic to me. Ancient egyptian beliefs aside, it seems pretty obvious that bodies do not resume life. Minds, feelings and memories are fragile enough while one is alive, so I doubt they survive the body either.

Therefore, I'm certain that there is no "other life" as such. Maybe there is some sort of residual psychic noise, although I doubt it and would not lend it any religious significance even if I knew of its existence as a fact.

There is life after death... but not as ressurrection or reincarnation, and certainly not for deceased individuals. Death is final for the individual people, and that is a good thing, too. Life, however, does not depend on individual people.

I'm not sure why so many people make so much noise about such a simple and minor matter. Maybe it is difficult to accept death?
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^I basically agree with that, for the most part.
 
ninerbuff

ninerbuff

godless wonder
For some reason humans have to believe that because we are the dominating species and our intellect is much higher than that of any other animals on this planet, that there's got to be more than just the finite number of years that we live. Imagination is what helps us progress and that same imagination is also used to create fantasies that are at present, not attainable. Living forever has been a great plot in stories yet we have no way to make it possible right now except in fictional stories. A person who helped to change history can live forever through followers. Elvis Presley is one of those. Though deceased for more than 30 years now, he still has many that follow him and his music, with many never even knowing him. I believe that's the same with jesus and the flock that follow his story.
 
Twilight Hue

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Proud 2B Gay said:
Do you know? Have you died yet to find out, or are you still here?
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I am of the opinion that everybody already knows the answer full well.

Unless of course you happen to regard the period before you were conceived and born as not being a state of death.
 
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Ilisrum

Active Member
Although I'd really like to believe in an afterlife, I just don't feel it. That's why it's important to live to the fullest while we're here, nothing else comes after it. Even when you're gone, a part of you still survives through your children and the memories of those who care about you. So it's not like you spark out completely.

Besides, I don't think I'd want eternal life anyways.
 
Rainbow Mage

Rainbow Mage

Lib Democrat/Agnostic/Epicurean-ish/Buddhist-ish
It's not that I completely doubt the idea of an afterlife, I'm just not sure what it is. Even most ancient socities didn't think it likely you the person survive beyond death, but most thought maybe your impersonal essence did. Maybe we could compare it to something like transferring energy to a different container.
 
BruceDLimber

BruceDLimber

Well-Known Member
>How does one know what comes after death...?

From what various scriptures tell us about the Next Life.

The Baha'i scriptures, IME, have an especially good description of this!

Peace, :)

Bruce
 
Penumbra

Penumbra

Veteran Member
Premium Member
BruceDLimber said:
The Baha'i scriptures, IME, have an especially good description of this!
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They have a good description of it? That's interesting, because most religious texts seem to tiptoe around descriptions of it.

What do they say about it?

And more importantly, what leads you to conclude that if the Baha'i scriptures say something about an afterlife, that it is true?
 
emptybe

emptybe

Om Mani Padme Hum
I believe there are a lot of stories of people remembering past lives and of near death experiences. Too many to all be fake and too many to just disregard. Something is to be said about these memories/experiences.
 
jojo50

jojo50

Member
Proud 2B Gay said:
I mean yeah the Egyptians had myths about it, but I don't really take them literally. I'm not sure I take the Buddhist version literally either. I'm agnostic about life after death.Do you know? Have you died yet to find out, or are you still here?
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God words tells what happens once one dies. I haven’t died yet,but I do believe Jehovah’s words. Unlike all the myths and lies that’s falsely Taught. We don’t come back as another being, we don’t live in “limbo” we’re NOT floating around associating with our love ones. Those who don’t have part of a Heavenly royal group, (Rev.7:4 and Rev.5:10),didn’t die and went to Heaven.

And most definitely NOT in a burning place called hell. (The most popular of all lies), due to not understand what Jesus meant. and NOT being shown scriptures that make one act question. These scriptures speaks of what happens when one dies….
There’s no “SOUL” that separates from the body once we die,WE ARE SOULS,...

(1Cor.15:45 -And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul). Even animals ARE “SOULS” Num.31:28- And levy a tribute unto the LORD of the men of war which went out to battle: one soul of five hundred, both of the persons, and of the beeves, and of the *****, and of the sheep, (notice every breathing being is called a soul).

The dead doesn’t even KNOW they’re dead,(Ecles.9:5,10- For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten). So why would one continually teach or want to believe the dead still roams any place?

Jonah went to hell, just as Jesus and David,neither of those men mention seeing demons torturing others ,(Jonah 2:1,2- Then Jonah prayed unto the LORD his God out of the fish's belly, And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice).

Again humans are “SOUL” not “HAVE SOUL” once we die,our “soul“ also died, because ….we are soul!(Ezek.18:4-the soul that sinneth, it shall die). Death is just a punishment for inherited sins. Once one dies,our sins are not only paid for,but we all forgiven of ALL sins. (Rom.-6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord). Of corse someone will disagree, but the proof is in God’s words. No matter how many wants to continue believing the false teachings. Peace!
 
Rainbow Mage

Rainbow Mage

Lib Democrat/Agnostic/Epicurean-ish/Buddhist-ish
jojo50 said:
God words tells what happens once one dies. I haven’t died yet,but I do believe Jehovah’s words. Unlike all the myths and lies that’s falsely Taught. We don’t come back as another being, we don’t live in “limbo” we’re NOT floating around associating with our love ones. Those who don’t have part of a Heavenly royal group, (Rev.7:4 and Rev.5:10),didn’t die and went to Heaven.

And most definitely NOT in a burning place called hell. (The most popular of all lies), due to not understand what Jesus meant. and NOT being shown scriptures that make one act question. These scriptures speaks of what happens when one dies….
There’s no “SOUL” that separates from the body once we die,WE ARE SOULS,...

(1Cor.15:45 -And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul). Even animals ARE “SOULS” Num.31:28- And levy a tribute unto the LORD of the men of war which went out to battle: one soul of five hundred, both of the persons, and of the beeves, and of the *****, and of the sheep, (notice every breathing being is called a soul).

The dead doesn’t even KNOW they’re dead,(Ecles.9:5,10- For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten). So why would one continually teach or want to believe the dead still roams any place?

Jonah went to hell, just as Jesus and David,neither of those men mention seeing demons torturing others ,(Jonah 2:1,2- Then Jonah prayed unto the LORD his God out of the fish's belly, And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice).

Again humans are “SOUL” not “HAVE SOUL” once we die,our “soul“ also died, because ….we are soul!(Ezek.18:4-the soul that sinneth, it shall die). Death is just a punishment for inherited sins. Once one dies,our sins are not only paid for,but we all forgiven of ALL sins. (Rom.-6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord). Of corse someone will disagree, but the proof is in God’s words. No matter how many wants to continue believing the false teachings. Peace!
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Yet you have no reason to believe this except that a book tells you so, which you think is God's Word
 
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Tree)O(Life

Member
Christian most accurate description in the Bible.
Ecclesiastes 9:7-5
For the living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they a conscious of nothing at all, neither do they anymore have wages, because the rememberance of them have also been forgotten. Also, their love and their hate and their jealousy have already perished, and they have no portion anymore to time indefinite in anything that has to be done under the sun.

Wicca's go to the Summerland probably derived from Avalon.

What about ghosts and Mediums, some mediums can give accurate descriptions of a deceased decendant with names in the first hand and are even able to deliver accurate personal messages. Some Mediums can draw accurate pictures of a strangers deceased relative leading me at least to believe there may be demons if not a spiritual afterlife. Also possessions are accurate and are factually proven to have occurred in some cases with people witnessing the image of the demon.

(1Cor.15:45 -And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul). Even animals ARE “SOULS” Num.31:28- And levy a tribute unto the LORD of the men of war which went out to battle: one soul of five hundred, both of the persons, and of the beeves, and of the *****, and of the sheep, (notice every breathing being is called a soul).
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When the Bible referrs to a soul it means the living, The living are referred to as souls often.
 
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Rainbow Mage

Rainbow Mage

Lib Democrat/Agnostic/Epicurean-ish/Buddhist-ish
Well tree the ancient Kemetics believed we go to the Duat, and some Kemetics take that quite literally, and some don't. I fall under the later. I cannot say for certain I will go to the Duat when I die. Not even the ancients believed you automatically get to go.
 
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Tree)O(Life

Member
Interesting (= Likewise with Christianity a person is dead until Judgement day. (edit) I should say many Christians debate that depending on their sect.
 
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outhouse

outhouse

Atheistically
emptybe said:
I believe there are a lot of stories of people remembering past lives and of near death experiences. Too many to all be fake and too many to just disregard. Something is to be said about these memories/experiences.
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except those were not dead people, they were almost dead people. Theres a big difference there.

ok so if its past lives then the bible has none of it right, and if the population grows then it cant all be reincarnation. So for that to be right means it is not.










No one has ever returned from the dead ever to tell about it


Once this life is done and you stop breathing life as you know or ever thought about knowing is over. This fear of the end is what most religions play on to gain followers
 
LuisDantas

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
emptybe said:
I believe there are a lot of stories of people remembering past lives and of near death experiences. Too many to all be fake and too many to just disregard. Something is to be said about these memories/experiences.
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Far as I can tell, they aren't fake, but they aren't really convincing as evidence of past lifes either.
 
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