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Vote Libertarian OR Socialist
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Rainbow Mage
Lib Democrat/Agnostic/Epicurean-ish/Buddhist-ish
Good idea. Socialist all the way. I don't vote because I don't have many choices, and the two parties have it fixed
I'm not Libertarian because we're better, less corrupt, or less power hungry.
I just believe in the ideals. We're still only lowly humans.
I just believe in the ideals. We're still only lowly humans.
dawny0826
Mother Heathen
I think it's a great idea but unless more follow suit, I doubt it's going to make much of a difference.
In September, I joined the National Libertarian Party and the Libertarian Party of Virginia. I should have done this a long time ago. This is the ONLY political part that endorses charity, philanthropic giving and voluntary efforts as the best means to support the needy in America- not big government spending and big government intervention.
I only regret that there aren't more Libertarian candidates to support. I'll vote conservatively before I'll let my vote go...
dust1n
Zindīq
But Libertarians do not have an institution that's been in place for a hundred or so years. There is no long-term party endorsements like the Republican party. I don't mean to suggest that the Libertarian or Socialist party can't be corrupt, they just haven't been yet.
dust1n
Zindīq
Much of a difference won't happen, but more people are catching on to the 'republicrat, democran' system that has kept the status quo up for sometime.
Though, I'm pretty sure all parties 'endorse' charity and philanthropic giving. Really, if you are into charity and philanthropic giving, you will just do it, regardless of what party is in what power.
dallas1125
Covert Operative
Well, it doesnt matter...In the end we will still have conservative vs. liberal. I doubt the party name will change much.
That assumes that the Libertarian and Socialist parties represent the values of the voters. And that simply isn't the case.
Republicans, for the most part, are not libertarians. They favor big government when it suits them (DOD anyone?) and welcome government regulation when it benefits them.
Similarly, most Democrats are not socialists. While they tend to be more receptive to government programs and a "collective" effort in society, they also profit from the capitalist system and the "class warfare" that the Socialist party wants to dismantle.
Believe it or not, the Republican and Democrat parties are the "moderate" choices and the vast majority of Americans are in the middle of the road.
I'm sure that if we ever get any of our own in power, that they will embarrass & disappoint just like the others.
None of us wants corruption in leadership, but it will happen. I pick my side based upon ideology & agenda.
dust1n
Zindīq
They aren't just party names, they are two entirely different parties.
dust1n
Zindīq
That's a good point, but suppose there are other 3rd party options which fall a little more in the moderate zone? I think there is a growing number of Repubs and Demos that are both dissatisfied with the two party system, but they just keep voting for them because they don't think anyone else will ever win.
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angellous_evangellous
Guest
Can corrupt leaders really sustain an ideology and agenda that reflect those of their voters? It seems to me that ideology is the first thing to go - but there is some lipservice to it. Corrupt leaders just do their own thing - or whatever the will of whomever happens to be paying the bill at the time.
Primordial Annihilator
Well-Known Member
Socialism works for us Europeans....to greater and lesser degrees.
Can't see why it wont work for americans.
Can't see why it wont work for americans.
Tis a continual & perpetual labor, watching for scoundrels & voting'm out of office.
Even the most noble agendas are mediated by human unbiggendness.
I'm sure there are other third parties that are closer to the voter base. One of the primary problems with those, however, are that they are close enough to the big two they are practically absorbed by them.
And you're right about the second point. There are plenty of people who are fed up with the status quo but are disenfranchised by the electoral system in the US. Ever hear the phrase "the lesser of two evils"?
Part of the blame for that one falls on our "winner-takes-all" system; it encourages the operation of two dominate parties that squeeze out the smaller choices. As I've said in the past, I'd love to see a form of proportional representation developed that would work with our federal system and encourage shifting coalitions between several smaller parties; but I doubt it's going to happen any time soon.
dallas1125
Covert Operative
They might be different, but once the major voter base changes from the republican and democrat party, everything will just go with them. It will still be the conservative vs. liberals.
dawny0826
Mother Heathen
True, but I'm going to place my financial support behind a party that fully endorses this as THE best way to solve our nation's pressing problems regarding poverty, homelessness (Insert your favorite cause here) OVER government programs that are designed to fix these causes.
I abhore large government.
I don't see it ever happening...but in a perfect world, this is what I'd want to see.
doppelganger
Through the Looking Glass
Are you under the impression that most big government spending and big government intervention is on behalf of the "needy"?
doppelganger
Through the Looking Glass
Then the party affiliation doesn't matter one lick. "Down with big government" is an empty slogan. Without reforming a political process that is determined by the ability of elected officials to accumulate campaign finances and obtain media access, our pockets will continue to be picked - and not (for the most part) by the "needy".
Thanks. It's been a very busy couple of years.
