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chinu
chinu
Thief
Rogue Theologian
To obtain eternal life.....
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
Crossing over into the next life requires.....permission.
Some people use the word...'grace'....or...'allowance'.
That you walk in spirit is Their choice not yours.
The decision is brought by the above standard.
chinu
chinu
permission.
When i will know that i am selected for this and by whom ?
As you are writing all this so confidently, so you may be knowing.
Rest i am agreed with all your statements heartly.
_/\_ Chinu.
chinu
chinu
Its Ok,
But you have left my second Question that was ( What is the method to attain it ? )
Just thinking why are you creating events by remembering me the "Weekends" ?Good weekend to you Chinu Ji!
Are you going against your advices ?
Anyhow, "Satsriakal" Onkara ji
_/\_ Your brother Chinu.
Troublemane
Well-Known Member
I find this an interesting way of looking at it. Eternal Life would be in essence complete stasis, wouldnt it? Unless as the previous poster says, the thoughts are on such a deep level that they are slow-moving? Like on par with the timescale of the movement of mountains? Geologic time?
I seem to remember stories about Taoists sitting and staring at mountains, trying to think on their timescale.
I seem to remember stories about Taoists sitting and staring at mountains, trying to think on their timescale.
Its Ok,
But you have left my second Question that was ( )
Just thinking why are you creating events by remembering me the "Weekends" ?
Are you going against your advices ?
Anyhow, "Satsriakal" Onkara ji
_/\_ Your brother Chinu.
Hahaha
It is already here, the timeless eternal state, it underlies the thoughts, senses and events around us. It is the witness of all but itself.
ellenjanuary
Well-Known Member
ellenjanuary
Well-Known Member
With the proper hymnal, all things are possible.
I could tell you, but I'd have to kill you...
Seriously, if not your life; at the very least the knowledge you seek will cost you your mind. Tao begat one, one begat two... remember that line? It is fundamental - well, it is chapter 42 after all - but the brain builds mind upon sequence and ordering. If three does not come after two, the brain produces a dysfunctional mind; to be sane and break sequence is to know insanity. Know it acutely, like a plunge into the frigid abyss rather than the acclimating wade done with chronic mental illness.
I have an hypothesis concerning the brain; processing the eternal, the sequential, the simultaneous; I also have the certification lending credence to said hypothesis. I postulate that there is some measure of evolutionary advantage carried forward with a genetic predisposition of mental illness, and one consideration is the conceptualization of time. For instance, I have glimpsed both simultaneity and eternity; and I can tell you for a fact that it cannot be done.
How does that make any sense? Partitioning. Like the hard drive on a computer, partitions can develop from brain to mind; like a computer, such a mind can possess multiple operating systems. This morning I woke as "normal ellen," which can be compared to booting Windows; I can only access the Linux programs if I "boot Linux," wake up as "crazy ellen," in other words.
What is the point of all this drivel and snivel? I was a witness to my own unraveling. Last time I processed a bit of simultaneity; part of my mind was the observer, part of my mind was the doer (a low level OS to handle animal function) and part of my mind was rational. That part broke. It is a singular occurrence, witnessing the rationally developed identity just curl up into a ball and scream. Singular, because broke is broke; and I no longer process simultaneity. When the neurons fire in that certain pattern, what I witness now is the breakdown of objective reality into its constituent subjective waveforms. I've seen as many as three layers of reality operating as causal potentials. Not often, mind; I'm about due for a complete psychotic breakdown.
You don't want that. You want the stillness.
When there is this abstinence from action, good order is universal.
Rather than think of no-time, think of the river of time; rather than think of you as you, think of you as the King of Hearts. If one holds a playing card in the water where it is perpendicular to the current; turbulence forms and the hand expends energy to keep it in place. That is how we are in the workday world - busy, active. But if one holds the playing card parallel to the current, barely a ripple is stirred, and the hand steadies it with ease. Thus, seek not no-time; seek rather, sideways.
I could tell you, but I'd have to kill you...
Seriously, if not your life; at the very least the knowledge you seek will cost you your mind. Tao begat one, one begat two... remember that line? It is fundamental - well, it is chapter 42 after all - but the brain builds mind upon sequence and ordering. If three does not come after two, the brain produces a dysfunctional mind; to be sane and break sequence is to know insanity. Know it acutely, like a plunge into the frigid abyss rather than the acclimating wade done with chronic mental illness.
I have an hypothesis concerning the brain; processing the eternal, the sequential, the simultaneous; I also have the certification lending credence to said hypothesis. I postulate that there is some measure of evolutionary advantage carried forward with a genetic predisposition of mental illness, and one consideration is the conceptualization of time. For instance, I have glimpsed both simultaneity and eternity; and I can tell you for a fact that it cannot be done.
How does that make any sense? Partitioning. Like the hard drive on a computer, partitions can develop from brain to mind; like a computer, such a mind can possess multiple operating systems. This morning I woke as "normal ellen," which can be compared to booting Windows; I can only access the Linux programs if I "boot Linux," wake up as "crazy ellen," in other words.
What is the point of all this drivel and snivel? I was a witness to my own unraveling. Last time I processed a bit of simultaneity; part of my mind was the observer, part of my mind was the doer (a low level OS to handle animal function) and part of my mind was rational. That part broke. It is a singular occurrence, witnessing the rationally developed identity just curl up into a ball and scream. Singular, because broke is broke; and I no longer process simultaneity. When the neurons fire in that certain pattern, what I witness now is the breakdown of objective reality into its constituent subjective waveforms. I've seen as many as three layers of reality operating as causal potentials. Not often, mind; I'm about due for a complete psychotic breakdown.
You don't want that. You want the stillness.
When there is this abstinence from action, good order is universal.
Rather than think of no-time, think of the river of time; rather than think of you as you, think of you as the King of Hearts. If one holds a playing card in the water where it is perpendicular to the current; turbulence forms and the hand expends energy to keep it in place. That is how we are in the workday world - busy, active. But if one holds the playing card parallel to the current, barely a ripple is stirred, and the hand steadies it with ease. Thus, seek not no-time; seek rather, sideways.
With the proper hymnal, all things are possible.
Seriously, if not your life; at the very least the knowledge you seek will cost you your mind. Tao begat one, one begat two... remember that line? It is fundamental - well, it is chapter 42 after all - but the brain builds mind upon sequence and ordering. If three does not come after two, the brain produces a dysfunctional mind; to be sane and break sequence is to know insanity. Know it acutely, like a plunge into the frigid abyss rather than the acclimating wade done with chronic mental illness.
Rather than think of no-time, think of the river of time; rather than think of you as you, think of you as the King of Hearts. If one holds a playing card in the water where it is perpendicular to the current; turbulence forms and the hand expends energy to keep it in place. That is how we are in the workday world - busy, active. But if one holds the playing card parallel to the current, barely a ripple is stirred, and the hand steadies it with ease. Thus, seek not no-time; seek rather, sideways.
Interesting, Just 2 points from your description I contend one, I would have to have a dysfuctional mind. I do not see sequences but patterns. Numbers are just all around me I order them accordingly to the circumstances. I have never believe 3 follows 2. Patterns are more my way of life.
Second even though the card is parallel to the current. If it remained stationary it would cause many ripples just smaller and if held by a hand the ripples would be quite large. Only by flowing with the current either perpendicular or parallel would there be no ripples.
ellenjanuary
Well-Known Member
Interesting. I expected zero. What is your certification?
If patterns were not sequential, they wouldn't be patterns. They'd be white noise. That is what I expected of my post, to be ignored as white noise. But you got something out of it, better than the usual of this type. And the card was allegory, following from the quote of tao; related in the manner of tao.
What is the opposite of tao?
In the same manner, life and awareness preclude the existence of no-time.
Yes I did getting something out of it. It is not white noise, however patterns are not sequental and not white noise either. If viewed from the outside and as a whole the pattern has its own form.
You can break down the Mona Lisa to its dpi resolution and color selection and rebuild it on a computer but then you missed the point.
The Tao for me is a view of life its opposite would then be a view of death. Just off the top of my head.
You can break down the Mona Lisa to its dpi resolution and color selection and rebuild it on a computer but then you missed the point.
The Tao for me is a view of life its opposite would then be a view of death. Just off the top of my head.
ellenjanuary
Well-Known Member
Patterns derive from the primal archetype. They are both sequential and, by definition, discrete.
Patterns derive from the primal archetype. They are both sequential and, by definition, discrete.
I would agree, they have to be sequential in that is how we view time. I just don't put much emphasis on the sequential activity as I don't put much emphasis on time.
For me Time is just how humans observe change it is not a thing at all. So No-time for me always exists.
dyanaprajna2011
Dharmapala
Do you believe in No-Time ?
Do you believe that, is there any state to which we can say this is No-Time ?
What is the method to attain it ?
_/\_Chinu.
Do I believe in no-time? Yes. What method is used to attain it? Following the Noble Eightfold Path, particularly meditation.
What is time? Time is related to mass. Without mass, there is no time. If we exist after death as some type of mass-less existence, then we can transcend time. This is a reason why the Christian idea of bodily resurrection and eternity makes no sense to me.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
WanderingSoul
Member
Do you believe in No-Time ?
Do you believe that, is there any state to which we can say this is No-Time ?
What is the method to attain it ?
_/\_Chinu.
Ya know, this whole time thing is so intriguing. I wish I had the brain to figure it out.
I will say one thing, though. I think time is strictly a human invention. It's a form of measurement used as a frame of reference invented to help us understand nature. We really have no evidence that the universe ticks to its own clock. We have simply projected our measuring rod onto reality and call it truth.
So yes, I believe there is "no time," everywhere outside the human psyche.
And the state in which there is no time, is anywhere that lacks a conscious awareness of its application.
And the method to attain a "no time" state is to not think of it, either by choice or mental incapacity.