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Where is God during disasters?

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michel

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Jensa said:
There's no mystical, magical reason for hurricanes forming... water gets warm enough, there's already a weather disturbance there, and it's just the right distance from the equator to get some spin to it, and boom, hurricane. It doesn't have a deep and meaningful explanation any more than a cat sneezing.
Really? That's not how I understand it.

As I understand it, in Yin/Yang philosophy, good and evil co-exist in harmony. (Whereas in Christian theology, good will triumph over evil.)

Something occurs when there's too much of a build-up of yin or yang in a given area.

Too much Yin? No problem. Yang to the rescue to stabilize.
Too much Yang? No problem. Yin to the rescue to stabilize.

Hurrican Katrina was an occurrence of Yin (aka Instant Karma) in order to stabilize the Yang in the area.

It's global accupuncture in progress, so to speak.

But you knew that anyway, didn't you, Jensa?

You were just pretending it was a weather disturbance, right?
 

Ardhanariswar

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AV1611 said:
Amazing.

Well, I guess it's time for a Baptist to explain the true Hindu position on this.

(If I were a Hindu, I'd be embarrassed.)

Who sent Hurricane Katrina?

Shiva, the god of destruction did. You see, in the Hindu Trinity, there is Brahma, the god of creation; Vishnu, the god of preservation; and Shiva, the god of destruction.

Together they engage in creation, preservation, then destruction (a.k.a. birth, life, death).

And since the trinity is circular, not linear, we have the following: birth, life, death, birth, life, death, birth, life, death, etc.

Also known as reincarnation.

The most powerful Halloween icon that symbolizes this is the Old Hag. The boiling pot she is stiring represents birth (the pot = the womb). The full moon in the background represents the person growing to full maturity, and the Old Hag herself represents the last stage of life, or death. Thus you have the Hindu cycle represented in icon form.

Every once in awhile, Shiva rears his ugly head to destroy something, then Brahma rebuilds from the ashes (remember the Phoenix?), and we start all over.

Gerani, you must be either an awful weak Hindu, or a reprobate Hindu, in my humble opinion.


Thanks for judging. ... are you not christian? my bad.


Hinduism is a vast religion. It realizes that not everything has an answer, because the world is not black and white, but many shades of grey. I cannot explain this because I am not God, if I were, I would let you know.

Hindus, as well as anyone can blame this on God, the Devil, or the weather. I really dont know, nor do I care.

All I care is those poor victims in the hurricane and right now I'm trying to find a way my school's gay straight alliance can help them out. Call me crazy, but I dont think arguing in circles is really going to help this situation.

cya.
 

michel

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Gerani1248 said:
Hindus, as well as anyone can blame this on God, the Devil, or the weather. I really dont know, nor do I care.
Gerani, I can assure you, I meant no disrespect toward YOU. I don't even know you.

All I had asked for is ONE Hindu to come on here and tell us who really sent that hurricane.

It's too late now, though.

You chimed in to answer that, and, in my opinion, blamed it on a non-Hindu occurrence.

Again, no problem. I was just looking for a specific name.
 

michel

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SnaleSpace said:
Dude!!! put the claws away and keep it civil.

Try to remember we're debating religion here, not trying to start a holy war.
Chill out. You guys haven't had this much entertainment in years. I ain't nobody.
 

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
FeathersinHair said:
Frubals for wanting to think well of a person, Kat. You embody the award, anyway, which is probably why your heart is hurting right along with mine. (Well, I shouldn't assume yours is. Mine is, at least.)
You're too kind. And yes, one's heart can't help but hurt when people are cruel.

Thank you for posting that picture. I love it! Can I be the one holding the dog, and surrounded by all the other animals? Have you noticed my title? What I want to do in Heaven is be in charge of taking care of all the animals! :162:
 

Pah

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AV1611 said:
Amazing.

Well, I guess it's time for a Baptist to explain the true Hindu position on this.

...
Who sent Hurricane Katrina?

Shiva, the god of destruction did. You see, in the Hindu Trinity, there is Brahma, the god of creation; Vishnu, the god of preservation; and Shiva, the god of destruction.

...
Every once in awhile, Shiva rears his ugly head to destroy something, then Brahma rebuilds from the ashes (remember the Phoenix?), and we start all over.
Sure sounds better that having a god of the bible with split personalities. And of, course, the further split in the NT - one of love, one of spirit and the original with the two faces. I can't help but wonder if some Baptists would like a better solution to what god/gods really are than the one he or she has - a wish forefillment for a more logical answer to evil?


I found a picture of the two faces of the god of the OT - one when he does good deeds and one when he created Katrina
 

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Katzpur

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Pah said:
Sure sounds better that having a god of the bible with split personalities.

No Pah, that would be the God of the Creeds. ;) Believe me, He doesn't even resemble the God of the Bible!
 

Feathers in Hair

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I hadn't noticed your title until now, and I'd give a resounding yes that you can and should be the one holding the dog! I'm considering going into the vet. technician field at the moment, and it's always good to be reminded that there are other people who love animals as much as I do.

Now I need to go start a stress-relieving silly thread... *goes in search of a suitable topic*
 

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
FeathersinHair said:
I hadn't noticed your title until now, and I'd give a resounding yes that you can and should be the one holding the dog! I'm considering going into the vet. technician field at the moment, and it's always good to be reminded that there are other people who love animals as much as I do.
Oh, I absolutely do, feathers! I don't know how I'd live without them. And when I think of all the Katrina victims who simply refused to leave their pets behind, my heart just breaks. I think it would be so neat to be a vet (or a vet tech). I just sucked so bad at biology and chemistry, that I don't think I've got what it takes to cut it.
 

michel

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Pah said:
I found a picture of the two faces of the god of the OT - one when he does good deeds and one when he created Katrina
Just calm down and put those pictures back in your wallet. You'll be okay.
 

ChrisP

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Katzpur said:
Oh, I absolutely do, feathers! I don't know how I'd live without them. And when I think of all the Katrina victims who simply refused to leave their pets behind, my heart just breaks. I think it would be so neat to be a vet (or a vet tech). I just sucked so bad at biology and chemistry, that I don't think I've got what it takes to cut it.
Don't worry Katzpur, people have been fixing sick animals longer than modern science has been gracing us with it's... uhhh.. wisdom :D . You're still in with a chance.
 

Pah

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AV1611 said:
Just calm down and put those pictures back in your wallet. You'll be okay.
Would you like to comment on the idea that your god vis a vis the hindu god embodies creation and destruction in one god rather than a pantheon?
 

michel

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Pah said:
Would you like to comment on the idea that your god vis a vis the hindu god embodies creation and destruction in one god rather than a pantheon?
No --- I'll let God Himself do that:

1 John 4:8 = ...GOD IS LOVE

Deuteronomy 4:24 = FOR THE LORD THY GOD IS A CONSUMING FIRE...

I assumed you meant "Hindu gods" in your above statement. I don't know of any one Hindu god that embodies both.

After having defeated the 10 primary Egyptian [false] deities via Plagues (Exodus 12:12), after Elijah defeated 450 prophets of Baal (1 Kings 18), God sent His Son to die on a cross for you and me, Pah.

So while the pantheon of gods are out frolicking and fornicating with each other, the true God of creation patiently awaits our decision to accept His Son as Personal Saviour.

I have a good question for Polytheists: Do you believe in incest?
 

michel

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painted wolf said:
kind of a pot and kettle situation... :cool:

wa:do
2 Kings 4:40 = SO THEY POURED OUT FOR THE MEN TO EAT. AND IT CAME TO PASS, AS THEY WERE EATING OF THE POTTAGE, THAT THEY CRIED OUT, AND SAID, O THOU MAN OF GOD, THERE IS DEATH IN THE POT. AND THEY COULD NOT EAT THEREOF.
 

Ardhanariswar

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AV1611 said:
Gerani, I can assure you, I meant no disrespect toward YOU. I don't even know you.

All I had asked for is ONE Hindu to come on here and tell us who really sent that hurricane.

It's too late now, though.

You chimed in to answer that, and, in my opinion, blamed it on a non-Hindu occurrence.

Again, no problem. I was just looking for a specific name.
Who? when you ask who, you ask the entire essense of Hinduism. I suppose you know about the two types of God in Hinduism. If you werent aware or just forgot, let me remind you, in a sort of story kinda way... hold your breath.

The ancient hindus could not define God. "Why?" you ask. Because God was a bodiless being. Its complexity was incomparable with even the most intellectual human. That doesnt mean God is too great for us. God is within us, creating a balance of knowldege and an empty notebook.
Then the anciet hindus said, "Hold up, who are we going to worship??" They saw God as attributless, Brahman, but they also saw a more human God (as you will later know, this type of God(s) were far from human human). This was the God with attributes.
Different *gods* came with different attributes. as you have mentioned about Siva, the lord of destruction and visnu, the lord of perservation, there were plently like so. Kama, the god of love, agni, god of fire, ganesha, god of beginnings and removal of interruptions.
"Yes yes!" said the ancient hindus. For they were all happy they could finally worship God.

Now, I dont mean to say that the polythestic side of hinduism is completly made up by funny brahmins who liked wierd names or their gods, no no. Some say (I emphasize this because Hinduism is one of the oldest religions, and the religion itself calls it without beginning because the core essense is God...) that these gods came into dreams of several people, often causing different names for the same god in different parts of india. still the same god, different name. The lord Ganesha (elephant headed one, as you know) was reputed to have more than a 100.

Vocabulary words for today:
nirguNa brahman (attributeless god)
saguNa brahman (god with (good) attributes)


now you may be confused. "How come Shiva, the Lord of destruction is Good?" Well, God basically is the essence of nature. You wont find anything otherworldly besides the statues (with many arms, believed to represent how its just a representation, and that God is powerful, more than the strongest man on earth). Because the gods represent nature, within and without us, it also represents destruction, an essential part of nature. Without destruction we cannot have renewal and everything will go old. thats why all life eventually dies. otherwise the world would get awfully crowded, dont you think?


now to answer your question (for the last time). There is no one specific answer. I cannot say, God was angry, Shiva was angry, because thats basically putting words in someones mouth. One could say that this was natural's renewal. maybe the balance of bad energy was overloading on one side.... I really do not know. Most hindus really dont know either. No onen could know. maybe this was caused by how all other hurricanes are caused.

But then again, I would rather not know who supposedly was the cause of this (if there even was one) that listen to some misinformed preacher/priest who had is own agenda of converting people to his relgion. I dont believe in that ****. Believe in something because your heart takes you there.

Hope that answers your question. have a nice day.
 

Ardhanariswar

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AV1611 said:
So while the pantheon of gods are out frolicking and fornicating with each other, the true God of creation patiently awaits our decision to accept His Son as Personal Saviour.

I have a good question for Polytheists: Do you believe in incest?
Now you are insulting me. Frolicking and fornicating? dude, what is your problem?

I guess you are angry that people do not understand you. Maybe you are angry that your God isnt getting to everyone. Maybe you only insult other religions because you can find no way to support your own.

Good luck with that.
 

michel

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AV1611 said:
No --- I'll let God Himself do that:

1 John 4:8 = ...GOD IS LOVE

Deuteronomy 4:24 = FOR THE LORD THY GOD IS A CONSUMING FIRE...

I assumed you meant "Hindu gods" in your above statement. I don't know of any one Hindu god that embodies both.

After having defeated the 10 primary Egyptian [false] deities via Plagues (Exodus 12:12), after Elijah defeated 450 prophets of Baal (1 Kings 18), God sent His Son to die on a cross for you and me, Pah.

So while the pantheon of gods are out frolicking and fornicating with each other, the true God of creation patiently awaits our decision to accept His Son as Personal Saviour.

I have a good question for Polytheists: Do you believe in incest?
AV; let me ask you one question; straight, no beating about the bush.

Do you believe that all those who do not share your exact beliefs are all misguided, wrong, or delusional ?
 

michel

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Gerani1248 said:
now to answer your question (for the last time). There is no one specific answer. I cannot say, God was angry, Shiva was angry, because thats basically putting words in someones mouth.

Hope that answers your question. have a nice day.
Well, Gerani, like I said, I think it's interesting that you, as a Hindu, didn't know this, and I, as a Baptist, did. Even someone else (I can't remember who it was, but he/she was a Pagan) answered the question before any Hindu did.

And as far as Shiva being angry ... no he was not angry ... that's just what he does best ... destroys things ... just doing his job.

And I sincerely do hope you have a nice day as well.
 

michel

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michel said:
AV; let me ask you one question; straight, no beating about the bush.

Do you believe that all those who do not share your exact beliefs are all misguided, wrong, or delusional ?
Yes --- if they don't share the fundamental beliefs.

No --- if they don't share our secondary beliefs (but do share the fundamental).

I'm not totally satisfied with all I believe in the secondary issues, myself.

I am convinced, by logic, that most are misguided, because they have such a high disregard for God's word.

It only makes sense, I don't regard the Baghavad-Gita as inspired, thus I am Hinduistically (to coin a word) misguided, wrong, and delusional.

Any real Hindu should attest to that.

I once had a conversation with a Pentecostal. While we were talking, she referred to me as "brother Phil". I asked her why she called me "brother", and she said we Christians are all brothers and sisters in Christ.

I then asked her this:

Aren't you a Pentecostal? Don't you believe someone cannot be saved unless they have the Holy Ghost? And don't you believe a person has to speak in tongues as evidence of that? She said: yes; to which I replied: Well, I have never spoken in tongues, and don't believe in it.

She shrugged her shoulders and said: That's between you and God.

I replied: But according to your doctrine, I'm a lost soul on my way to Hell. Why do you call me a "brother" then?

She left.

Many people I know do not carry their doctrines to their logical conclusions.
 
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