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Why do you come here? (To atheists)

Katzpur

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
I can totally understand why someone who does is not religious might have an interest in discussing religion. What I don't understand is the atheists who are here primarily to ridicule theists. I guess I'm pretty much a live-and-let-live kind of person. I don't really care if people believe in God or not. All I'm looking for is some stimulating conversation. All I know is that if I were to go find a football forum and start a bunch of threads about what a stupid sport football is and how you'd have to be an idiot to enjoy it, I'd have a whole lot of people asking me the same thing the OP is asking -- if you think it's so stupid, why are you here?
 
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Meow Mix

Chatte Féministe
Katzpur said:
I can totally understand why someone who does is not religious might have an interest in discussing religion. What I don't understand is the atheists who are here primarily to ridicule theists. I guess I'm pretty much a live-and-let-live kind of person. I don't really care if people believe in God or not. All I'm looking for is some stimulating conversation. All I know is that if I were to go find a football forum and start a bunch of threads about what a stupid sport football is and how you'd have to be an idiot to enjoy it, I'd have a whole lot of people asking me the same thing the OP is asking -- if you think it's so stupid, why are you here?
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I agree with this.

Of course, I'm guilty of lifting my nose at stuff that I think is ridiculous, but that's not all I'm here for.
 
LuisDantas

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Katzpur said:
I can totally understand why someone who does is not religious might have an interest in discussing religion. What I don't understand is the atheists who are here primarily to ridicule theists. I guess I'm pretty much a live-and-let-live kind of person. I don't really care if people believe in God or not. All I'm looking for is some stimulating conversation. All I know is that if I were to go find a football forum and start a bunch of threads about what a stupid sport football is and how you'd have to be an idiot to enjoy it, I'd have a whole lot of people asking me the same thing the OP is asking -- if you think it's so stupid, why are you here?
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I see where you come from, but I'm afraid that the parallel doesn't hold up too well.

Football does not involve different interpretations of what a ball should be like, does not allow for any that involve no ball, and has little political significance.

None of that excuses the mistreatment that sometimes happens (from both sides, actually - creationists are often very rude), but it is a mistake to claim that belief in God is much of an indicator of religiosity, much less of interest in religion.
 
Autodidact

Autodidact

Intentionally Blank
SnifferOuter77 said:
Clearly you don't know the definition of a skeptic. Look at yourself, you're an athiest on a religious forum. If I believed what we see here was the whole puzzle instead of just a piece, I'd definitely be out doing something more enjoyable with the time I've got.
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So apparently you have nothing more enjoyable you could be doing?

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Autodidact

Autodidact

Intentionally Blank
SnifferOuter77 said:
Good you say most, because for all I know the Bible's been tampered with throughout the hundreds of thousands of translations it's undergone. But there are a few facts that are being proven right now, like the fact that people actually were having visions that revealed amazing things to them, and these visions were induced by ayahuasca(DMT). Youtube or google DMT yourself and be blown away, simple as that. And then if you still don't believe me or proof done by others, do it yourself. Induce DMT and watch what happens. They've got a movie based on it coming out next year called Limitless, about a drug that stimulates that other 80% of our minds we "can't" use(we can now). Remember also, DMT is the ONLY "drug" to become a Federal Offense, and it's not even a drug. It's in you, me, plants, and animals.
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So Sniffer is a DMT proselytizer? Sniffer: Proselytizing is against forum rules. Di you have an argument of some kind?
 
Sunstone

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
I'm here for the alcohol. And because Circle One posts in the nude.
 
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SnifferOuter77

Member
Meow Mix said:
I'm just skeptical of dubious claims, such as that DMT gives psychic abilities, that Egyptians had enough understanding of biochemistry to worship specifically the pineal gland (nobody is disputing the importance some placed on a religious "third eye," but whether or not they associated this with specifically the pineal gland is questionable), that DMT speeds up thought (long-term effects of DMT use dispute this), and so on.
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I understand completely, maybe I shouldn't have stated it like that. But seriously, when people are on DMT, very weird things happen that can't usually be explained by science. I wasn't trying to force everyone to believe me, I was simply putting some stuff out there that alters my entire perception of God and the spiritual realm. For some reason out of every natural psychoactive(marijuana, shrooms, peyote, caba caba, etc), the only one with all these crazy happenings lately and in history is DMT and anything containing it(ayahuasca, Hoasca tea, etc). I used to believe in Chaos theory, that we're all just one giant accident living off itself. But this one naturally occurring molecule has been sending thousands of people to the SAME PLACE. NO other drug or alkaloid accounts to that. NONE. And I've heard the craziest acid/shroom stories, about people's houses turning into jello and floors turning into spiders and all kinds of insane stuff... but I watch people try not to cry when talking about DMT. Google Jim Carey's DMT testimonial, he talks about this place he wants us all to see.
 
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9-10ths_Penguin

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Katzpur said:
I can totally understand why someone who does is not religious might have an interest in discussing religion. What I don't understand is the atheists who are here primarily to ridicule theists. I guess I'm pretty much a live-and-let-live kind of person. I don't really care if people believe in God or not. All I'm looking for is some stimulating conversation. All I know is that if I were to go find a football forum and start a bunch of threads about what a stupid sport football is and how you'd have to be an idiot to enjoy it, I'd have a whole lot of people asking me the same thing the OP is asking -- if you think it's so stupid, why are you here?
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Religion has a way of imposing itself on the non-religious that football doesn't.

To see things from the non-religious point of view, a better analogy might be a forum about the petroleum industry: it'd be an appropriate place for industry representatives to have discussions, but it'd also be appropriate for environmentalists to have discussions there about the environmental effects of oil extraction, or how we should reduce our dependence on oil. In fact, without those environmentalists, the forum probably would probably present a very slanted view.
 
Katzpur

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
9-10ths_Penguin said:
To see things from the non-religious point of view, a better analogy might be a forum about the petroleum industry: it'd be an appropriate place for industry representatives to have discussions, but it'd also be appropriate for environmentalists to have discussions there about the environmental effects of oil extraction, or how we should reduce our dependence on oil. In fact, without those environmentalists, the forum probably would probably present a very slanted view.
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Let's hope the environmentalists would have something more intelligent to say than to tell the folks from the petroleum industry that they were all brainwashed idiots and that those from the petroleum industry could refrain from calling the environmentalists a bunch of wacko tree-huggers.
 
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SnifferOuter77

Member
Religious fanatics do always tend to push religion in people's face, and honestly it's funny to watch atheists show up on this forum to get a helping of it. It's almost like they're trying to convince everybody they're not going to hell to justify not worrying about it. Or you could be like I was and just have a chip on your shoulder against all the psychotic extremists who make religion the explosive, violent, ugly thing it is today.
This disagreement really is alot less complicated than people make it. For example, the dispute between MeowMix and myself. There's not suitable evidence to support either side(in your opinion) because obviously you have nothing to prove me wrong, and I have nothing(that you're actually willing to try yourself(convenient really)) that will prove me right. So you have no further reason to disagree with me unless you either #1, do what I'm saying WILL prove my side, or #2, provide me with something I can try that will prove yours(and I'll actually do it, panzy).
 
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1AOA1

Active Member
SnifferOuter77 said:
Religious fanatics do always tend to push religion in people's face, and honestly it's funny to watch atheists show up on this forum to get a helping of it. It's almost like they're trying to convince everybody they're not going to hell to justify not worrying about it. Or you could be like I was and just have a chip on your shoulder against all the psychotic extremists who make religion the explosive, violent, ugly thing it is today.
This disagreement really is alot less complicated than people make it. For example, the dispute between MeowMix and myself. There's not suitable evidence to support either side(in your opinion) because obviously you have nothing to prove me wrong, and I have nothing(that you're actually willing to try yourself(convenient really)) that will prove me right. So you have no further reason to disagree with me unless you either #1, do what I'm saying WILL prove my side, or #2, provide me with something I can try that will prove yours(and I'll actually do it, panzy).
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:confused: Are you saying atheism push it beliefs on people because other religions do it?
 
Blackheart

Blackheart

Active Member
1AOA1 said:
:confused: Are you saying atheism push it beliefs on people because other religions do it?
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Athiests push their beliefs on others because they passionately believe that they are right which is very much the same reason religious people sometimes do.

Ive never understood why athiests come on here though...
 
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SnifferOuter77

Member
Most people in general who hastily push their beliefs on others are not fully secure of their own. Athiests have beliefs too, which is why you catch them doing it. If they "passionately believed they're right" they wouldn't be here. Simply because they have nothing to gain from even if they did prove a Christian wrong. There would be no gain from it for anyone except their own feeling good about themselves and being "right". Christians who have that passion don't shove their beliefs down people's throats. They are kind and inviting, being an example for those they witness to. The ones who do the pushing and shoving are not confident enough in their belief system to let it emphasize itself. I gotta give it to agnostics though, they at least have an open mind and are willing to believe whatever can be proven to them. Again, athiests can only fall in that pushy catagory because they have such structured nonbeliefs lol.
 
monta

monta

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Blackheart said:
Athiests push their beliefs on others because they passionately believe that they are right which is very much the same reason religious people sometimes do.

Ive never understood why athiests come on here though...
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You've never in all your almost a month understood it?:confused:
 
TheDane93

TheDane93

Member
im not an atheist but i could imagine why.
Even though you dont believe in anything you could still have opinions that you want believers to consider. just like any beliver likes to try and convince a non-believer that their religion is the true only religion
 
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SnifferOuter77

Member
TheDane93 said:
im not an atheist but i could imagine why.
Even though you dont believe in anything you could still have opinions that you want believers to consider. just like any beliver likes to try and convince a non-believer that their religion is the true only religion
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HELLO. A believer thinks they are SAVING YOU if they convince you. What are you doing if you convince them? Being right? Proving yourself? Winning an argument? Way to dream big there killer.
 
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