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Does anyone actually believe the Sanhedrin would conduct a criminal trial on the Passover?

Rainbow Mage

Lib Democrat/Agnostic/Epicurean-ish/Buddhist-ish
Mark 14:1 It was now two days before Passover and the Festival of Unleavened Bread. The leading priests and the teachers of religious law were still looking for an opportunity to capture Jesus secretly and kill him.

The account goes on to say that after Jesus held the Passover meal with his disciples, he was arrested and tried before the Sanhedrin. Does anyone actually think the Sanhedrin would hold a criminal trial then, or is this an inconsistency in the gospels?
 

fallingblood

Agnostic Theist
Well, obviously many people many people do.

Is it an inconsistency? Maybe. However, at the same time, it may just be nothing more than a misunderstanding. The writers were aware that a preliminary hearing was heard by some Jews who were higher up. Eventually, the idea surfaced that it was the Sanhedrin.
 

Poisonshady313

Well-Known Member
Mark 14:1 It was now two days before Passover and the Festival of Unleavened Bread. The leading priests and the teachers of religious law were still looking for an opportunity to capture Jesus secretly and kill him.

The account goes on to say that after Jesus held the Passover meal with his disciples, he was arrested and tried before the Sanhedrin. Does anyone actually think the Sanhedrin would hold a criminal trial then, or is this an inconsistency in the gospels?


Would not have happened. Could not have happened.

This is an example of how the gospel writers must have either been ignoramuses, or they must have had an axe to grind against Judaism.
 

fallingblood

Agnostic Theist
Would not have happened. Could not have happened.

This is an example of how the gospel writers must have either been ignoramuses, or they must have had an axe to grind against Judaism.
I think the later is probably more true. That, and there was just quite a bit of confusion regarding the story. Add that to the fact that exact historical details were not completely necessary, it is of little wonder why they stated it was the Sanhedrin.

At the same time though, it is quite likely that some Jews who were in charge met and had some type of preliminary hearing. It is almost necessary for something of the like to have happened. So the gist of the story is there, but was later exaggerated to a point.
 

Rainbow Mage

Lib Democrat/Agnostic/Epicurean-ish/Buddhist-ish
I also believe the later, but for quite a different reason. If you're in a religion claiming to succeed another religion as God's new truth, then of course you have to discredit the first, otherwise your religion cannot be true. For Christianity to be true, Judaism has to be false.
 

fallingblood

Agnostic Theist
I also believe the later, but for quite a different reason. If you're in a religion claiming to succeed another religion as God's new truth, then of course you have to discredit the first, otherwise your religion cannot be true. For Christianity to be true, Judaism has to be false.
That actually isn't true. The Gospel writers (accept maybe Luke), as well as most of the NT writers were themselves Jews. More so, Christianity began as a Jewish sect, and even some divisions of Christianity remain Jewish until the fourth century.

However, Judaism doesn't have to be false for Christianity to be true. Christianity simply builds upon Judaism, or at least did so at the beginning.
 

TheKnight

Guardian of Life
The obvious answer is that a legit Sanhedrin probably would not have held a criminal trial during Pesach. However, the Sanhedrin wasn't entirely free of corruption so it is possible.


I also believe the later, but for quite a different reason. If you're in a religion claiming to succeed another religion as God's new truth, then of course you have to discredit the first, otherwise your religion cannot be true. For Christianity to be true, Judaism has to be false.


Except Christianity doesn't claim to be God's new truth. It claims to be God's updated truth. The old isn't false, it's simply outdated. So Christians believe that Judaism was true, but is only true now insomuch as it supports the Christian message.

Many Christians don't believe they have diffracted from Judaism but rather believe that they are the "true continuation" of God's original plan. Fortunately for us who believe in Judaism, we have an abundant amount of proof that this isn't true.
 

Levite

Higher and Higher
Mark 14:1 It was now two days before Passover and the Festival of Unleavened Bread. The leading priests and the teachers of religious law were still looking for an opportunity to capture Jesus secretly and kill him.

The account goes on to say that after Jesus held the Passover meal with his disciples, he was arrested and tried before the Sanhedrin. Does anyone actually think the Sanhedrin would hold a criminal trial then, or is this an inconsistency in the gospels?

It's an excellent point, and of course it is absolutely true that even capital trials under Jewish Law were postponed until after the holiday, even if they were almost completely through the process of adjudication.

Now, what I am about to say is something that I have no conclusive proof for, but I strongly am of the opinion that the accounts of Jesus' comings and goings around Jerusalem in the gospels are the results of compressed and merged narratives.

If nothing else, I cannot help notice that in Matthew 21, when Jesus enters the city, the people are waving palm branches and shouting hosha na hosha na, and baruch ha-ba b'shem Hashem (Blessed is he who comes in God's name). Now, there's only one holiday when Jews are waving palm branches, and singing hosha na hosha na, and reciting Psalm 118 (of which the third or fourth line to last is "Blessed is he who comes in God's name...")-- that holiday is Sukkot, the Festival of Shelters (sometimes translated, unfortunately, as the Feast of Booths, or the Feast of Tabernacles), which takes place about a week after the High Holidays, in the autumn. In fact, to this very day, Jews still wave palm branches (they are called lulavim, singular lulav), sing hosha na hosha na (literally it means "save us," and it is a prayer for rain), and recite the Hallel, which is Psalms 113-118. The scene is unmistakable. It could not be anything else.

But, by Matthew 26, without Jesus ever appearing to have departed and returned from Jerusalem, and without any great passage of time being related, all of a sudden it's about to be Passover! Now, to me, it seems deeply unlikely that the authors of the gospels would not be able to tell Sukkot from Passover, or would mix the two up out of ignorance. It seems far likelier that there were two narratives of Jesus in Jerusalem: one where Jesus enters the city at Sukkot, and one where he either enters or is already at Jerusalem at Passover; and at some point in the redaction of the gospel texts, the two narratives were fused and compressed for the sake of brevity and preservation of dramatic tension.

My point in relating that example is to say that, presumably, if there had been an actual Sanhedrin trial of Jesus (which, actually, I doubt that there was at all-- and if there were, it would have been entirely improper, and conducted by a partial, corrupted Sanhedrin) it probably would have been after the holiday, but this fact has simply been redacted out of the gospel account in order to preserve dramatic tension and brevity.
 

Zardoz

Wonderful Wizard
Premium Member
The Sanhedrin, or any other Jewish court, was forbidden to sit at night, BTW.
 

Oberon

Well-Known Member
, he was arrested and tried before the Sanhedrin
It is important to understand the difference between the Sanhedrin/synedrion of the NT, and that of the mishnah composed some 100+ years later. The synedrion of the NT was not a fixed, formal body, but rather ad hoc. On this see Brown's Death of the Messiah (vol. 1) and E. P. Sanders' Judaism.
 

Levite

Higher and Higher
It is important to understand the difference between the Sanhedrin/synedrion of the NT, and that of the mishnah composed some 100+ years later. The synedrion of the NT was not a fixed, formal body, but rather ad hoc. On this see Brown's Death of the Messiah (vol. 1) and E. P. Sanders' Judaism.

Personally, I have been greatly unconvinced by that school of thought. As far as I have been able to tell, such a synedrion was the product largely of Hellenistic Exilic communities, such as Alexandria. I don't recall sources off hand-- I learned them in a class on Second Temple Period history in rabbinical school, a while ago-- but the notion of a late mishnaic Sanhedrin rather than pre- or early Mishnaic (keeping in mind that, technically, the Mishnaic period begins with Hillel and Shammai, who would have been around the turn of the Common Era) is unsupported by analysis of Tannaitic text, and seems to have been embraced more by non-Jewish scholars than Jewish scholars.
 

Rainbow Mage

Lib Democrat/Agnostic/Epicurean-ish/Buddhist-ish
Even if we go with that theory it is a big stretch to envision any pious Jews wanting to kill someone on the night of the Passover meal.
 

fallingblood

Agnostic Theist
Even if we go with that theory it is a big stretch to envision any pious Jews wanting to kill someone on the night of the Passover meal.
Not really if we consider that by not doing so it could invoke the wrath of Rome.

More so, it could have been nothing more than simply having a group of Jews finding Jesus, taking him to the high priest, and basically finding him guilty and sending him away. It would have been a good idea to get Jesus, a trouble maker, out of the way before the rest of the festival.

Then again, it could have even been early morning, or just around sunrise when these events occurred.

Or, John could simply have been right, and the events happened the day before Passover.
 

Poisonshady313

Well-Known Member
Not really if we consider that by not doing so it could invoke the wrath of Rome.

More so, it could have been nothing more than simply having a group of Jews finding Jesus, taking him to the high priest, and basically finding him guilty and sending him away. It would have been a good idea to get Jesus, a trouble maker, out of the way before the rest of the festival.

Then again, it could have even been early morning, or just around sunrise when these events occurred.

Or, John could simply have been right, and the events happened the day before Passover.

Jews have too much to do before Passover to worry about crap like that.


Especially during the days of the Temple.
 
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