Ben Masada
Well-Known Member
It usually is. Where faith begins, knowledge ends. (Disraeli)
And for lack of knowledge, people perish. (Hosea 4:6)
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What's Your Take On Salvation?
- Thread starter Daily Devoted
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It usually is. Where faith begins, knowledge ends. (Disraeli)
And for lack of knowledge, people perish. (Hosea 4:6)
I think there's just one more step. God actually has to take action on your behalf whereby He saves you, and this won't necessarily happen immediately after you ask Him to do it. It happens when He does it.
paolops181
God rules!
That is one way brother but remember we should not forget the greatest commandment (matt.22:37:38) & we have to continue in the doctrine (1tim.4:16). Not just by believing but by works also that we will be justified (james2:24).
Christian Gnosis
Active Member
Well I may as well cast in my opinion too, since there seems to be many in the conversation. I believe we are saved by coming to accurate knowledge of truth, as the NT puts it. By putting on the mind of Christ, realizing we are in Christ and Christ in us. It's about an enlightenment experience, from my perspective. I believe the NT teaches Mysticism and union with the Christ.
Muffled
Jesus in me
Muffled
Jesus in me
This sounds like a big mountain but all one really needs to know is that one can ask Jesus to be his Savior. Jesus is quite capable of providing all the remaining accurate knowledge of truth.
To what in particular are you referring?
How is this pertinent to salvation and what are your references? There is a case where Jesus prays for this but that only means that it must be extremely difficult to obtain if God has to pray for it.
Christian Gnosis
Active Member
Sure one can ask Jesus to be their saviour Muffled, then what? What happens after that?
waitasec
Veteran Member
consider
matt. 25:31-45
where does jesus say anything about faith? as he was speaking to his disciples they didn't need faith, he performed miracles to prove who he was. and he says to take up your cross and follow him....well, what the problem? i don't understand why this is something to be discussed...
if you are christ like then do what christ did.
act as a compassionate person, faith with out works is dead.
jtartar
Well-Known Member
Daily Devoted,
It is very difficult to answer this question, with a short answer. In the first place, is the Bible Terra Incognita to you?? Are you a Sciolist, are you hindered by Fiducial Trust?? Just how much Praecognita have you?? Are you truely Groping???Are you pervious to truth, willing to believe what the Bible says, or do you have Sacred Cows that hinder you???
Certain doctrines are rather complicated unless you have a certain amount of background information.
The branch of Theology that relates to Salvation is called Soteriology.
This is very important:: No man on earth can earn everlasting life on his own. Just as you stated, we are all sinners, Ps 51:5, Ecc 7:20, 1John 1:8-10.
Since we can never attain salvation ourselves, becayse we are sinners,we must be DECLARED RIGHTEOUS, or Justified by Faith, which is Grace, or Undeserved Kindness, not by works, as under The Mosaic Law Covenant. The ONLY way we can be DECLARED RIGHTEOUS is by Faith in Jesus Christ, Rom 3:24, Gal 2:16.
By putting our faith in the Ransom Sacrifice of Jesus, God does not charge our sins against us, but uses Jesus sacrifice to cover our sins, 1John 2:1,2, Matt 20:28, Heb 10:11-14, 16-18, Acts 13:38,39.
By our putting faith in the Ransom Sacrifice of His son we are declared Righteous or Perfect in God's eye's so that our sins are not charged to us.
Once you have realized God's requirements you are in a Promerit condition, in a saved condition. Then you must dedicate yourself to God, and get baptized, but you must make sure that you get baptized by the ONE FAITH that God is blessing today, Eph 4:4-6. The only way to remain in that condition is to keep obeying God's laws as best you can, praying to God to forgive us of our sins,and not charge us with them, but to block our sins with the blood of Jesus.
Even though we can never earn salvation we must do works that are good, for by our works our faith is perfected, James 2:22, Rom 2:6, Eph 2:8-10.
Christians are not under The Mosaic Law Covenant, we are under the Law of Faith, in Jesus, Rom 3:27,28, Gal 6:2. We are especially under the Golden Rule, Matt 7:12, which is a law of love, John 13:34,35, Rom 13:8-10. Christians are to be honest in everything, Heb 13:18, and we must do these things to the END, Matt, 24:13, 2Cor 13:5.
Thesavorofpan
Is not going to save you.
So according you people seek salvation because its the right thing to do? That's pretty ludicrious to say.
Eye of Ra
Member
Salvation, personal take- Salvation is the idea that people need saving from something. Usually it means sin, or hell, or something along those lines. I would say the only ones we need saving from are ourselves, and it is ultimately up to us to do that saving. If you're displeased with your life then change it. Gods will help you, but they're not going to do it for you.
chinu
chinu
My opinion: This was only eligibe for the people of that time, Not Today.
How can one be saved today: He/she has to find Today's Jesus,
Why today's jesus: Because jesus has changed his Clothes (body),
Yes! jesus is only the way to Salvation.
_/\_Chinu.
Rainbow Mage
Lib Democrat/Agnostic/Epicurean-ish/Buddhist-ish
That salvation is not overall a useful term. Salvation in the modern majority view is a negative term with negative associations. It first puts one into the mindset that human beings somehow are very evil and need something higher then us to save us, because we cannot do it ourselves. This makes humans very weak by such a negative view.
dyanaprajna2011
Dharmapala
Salvation means being saved from something. I'm working toward being liberated to something. Breaking the cycle of samsara, and attaining liberation, and achieving Nirvana, this is what I believe when I hear the word 'salvation'. But this is from ourselves. We cannot rely on anyone or anything else to save us. Only we can change ourselves. Because change has to be enacted from within; one has to want to change in order to change. We cannot be forced. Then this is not true liberation. Salvation implies that humans are inherently flawed, weak, and powerless. Liberation implies the opposite, that we can do this on our own, that we have all the power necessary to escape from samsara to Nirvana. To me, this is true salvation.
TheKnight
Guardian of Life
Can you clarify:
Salvation from what? When you ask how one is saved, from what do you think one needs to be saved?
Nadia Faiazova
Member
Hi! It's a good question. In the Hebrew Scriptures, salvation usually means rescue or deliverance from oppression or from a violent, untimely death. For instance, calling Jehovah the Provider of escape, David said: My God is my rock...My place for flight, my Savior; from violence you save me. On the One to be praised, Jehovah, I shall call, and from my enemies I shall be saved. (2 Samuel 22:2-4)
Through Jesus, God revealed the full scope of the meaning of salvation. It includes release from the rulership of sin, from bondage to false religion, from the world under Satans control, from the fear of man, and even from the fear of death. (John 17:16; Romans 8:2; Colossians 1:13; Revelation 18:2,4) Ultimately, for Gods faithful servants, salvation by God means not only deliverance from oppression and distress but also the opportunity to have everlasting life. (John 6:40; 17:3)
Through Jesus, God revealed the full scope of the meaning of salvation. It includes release from the rulership of sin, from bondage to false religion, from the world under Satans control, from the fear of man, and even from the fear of death. (John 17:16; Romans 8:2; Colossians 1:13; Revelation 18:2,4) Ultimately, for Gods faithful servants, salvation by God means not only deliverance from oppression and distress but also the opportunity to have everlasting life. (John 6:40; 17:3)