Bridging the gap

Universal Experience (apart from a few) = Acceptance of Prayer

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1. "universal except for a few" isn't universal.
2. "acceptance of" isn't evidence nor experience.

So plese name a piece of subjective evidence which is universally experienced.

JerryL said:

1. "universal except for a few" isn't universal.
2. "acceptance of" isn't evidence nor experience.

So plese name a piece of subjective evidence which is universally experienced.

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1. Oh... I forgot to add... 'universal except for a few' who don't wish/bother to experience such a thing (aka denial)
2. Acceptance of Prayer is very solid evidence and it has been experienced universally.

1. Oh... I forgot to add... 'universal except for a few' who don't wish/bother to experience such a thing (aka denial)
2. Acceptance of Prayer is very solid evidence and it has been experienced universally.

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Everyone has experienced that some people accept prayer? It's call that an objective experience.

Everyone has accepted prayer? That's not an experience, and it's also contrary to your claim that some do not (you refer to them in point "1").

I meant God's acceptance of prayer that has been made by man.

I meant God's acceptance of prayer that has been made by man.

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Describe a test for it. How can we tell that people are universally experiencing it?

My pastor once said that when he was in the hospital, he felt very sick until people started praying for him - then he started feeling better! He didn't even know they were praying for him! Such is the power of prayer!!
Oddly enough, I didn't find that anecdote believable in the slightest. If God answers prayers in that fashion, then life is a popularity contest. "Hey, I've got 1300 people praying for me!" "Oh yeah? Well I'm the freakin' POPE."
When people tell me they'll pray for me, which is often enough, I never feel any different at all. Is that because they aren't praying for me? That would be dishonest and un-Christian. Is it because God just doesn't let prayers get through to unbelievers? You'd think it would be just the opposite - God would be channeling his energy specifically toward those who aren't already followers.
Seriously, if you're going to preach that prayer has real power - and that there is evidence to back this up - then you'd better be prepared with volumes of documented and confirmed evidence.
JerryL - have you ever read "Losing Faith in Faith?" Barker describes this same kind of request he asks of fundamentalists to 'prove' that their faith is something more than just a psychological phenomenon. Jesus states (more or less, I'm not quoting exactly because I'm lazy) that through faith, man can move mountians. Therefore, unless someone can actually move a mountain simply through prayer or other act of faith, this statement must be false. How powerful, then, is prayer?