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Killing in the name of Christ?

outhouse

outhouse

Atheistically
what the christians did in the past is horrible and primitive.

I always see stalins name come back as christians rebuttle, it has no merit as it was a political move, not one of religion or lack of.

Its hard to put a number on the christian barbarianism for this fact as well.

I think we should be thankfull they have kept there recent crimes to mollesting little boys and murdering abortion doctors.
 
outhouse

outhouse

Atheistically
Dezzie said:
So... Millions of people have been killed in the name of Jesus Christ. Historians have estimated between 15 million killed in his name. This mostly includes Jews (WWII), Witches (Salem Witch Trials), and Pagans.

Were these murders Christian worthy? Or were the people that killed them just straight up nuts?
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All the typical reasons people do bad things

greed, power and fear.
 
Dirty Penguin

Dirty Penguin

Master Of Ceremony
Dezzie said:
So... Millions of people have been killed in the name of Jesus Christ. Historians have estimated between 15 million killed in his name. This mostly includes Jews (WWII), Witches (Salem Witch Trials), and Pagans.

Were these murders Christian worthy? Or were the people that killed them just straight up nuts?
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Just nuts....

Their bible says......;

Matthew 7:22-23
[FONT=Arial, Verdana, Helvetica]On judgment day many will tell me, `Lord, Lord, we prophesied in your name and cast out demons in your name and performed many miracles in your name.' [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Verdana, Helvetica]But I will reply, `I never knew you. Go away; the things you did were unauthorized.[/FONT]
 
The Bright Beast

The Bright Beast

*Insert Witty Title Here*
Orias said:
What if religions discriminates against others?

Thats what discrimination is, acting.
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if a religion discriminates against others, then it is, in my eyes, not a very good religion. However, that would just be my view, and I would have no right to discriminate against it. Question members of it to try and understand why, yes, but discriminate, no.

I personally disagree with religion in general, but it wouldn't make me hate, or even stop me from being friends with a religious person, even if our religion (and/or lack of) clashed. It would be simple enough to avoid the topic and live and let live.

and, a bit off topic, but dimmu ftw.
 
Orias

Orias

Left Hand Path
The Bright Beast said:
if a religion discriminates against others, then it is, in my eyes, not a very good religion. However, that would just be my view, and I would have no right to discriminate against it. Question members of it to try and understand why, yes, but discriminate, no.

I personally disagree with religion in general, but it wouldn't make me hate, or even stop me from being friends with a religious person, even if our religion (and/or lack of) clashed. It would be simple enough to avoid the topic and live and let live.

and, a bit off topic, but dimmu ftw.
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I understand completely what you mean. :D

I was just proposing a circumstance.

Though I don't necessarily disagree with religion, I tend to look at it from a sociological and physcological perspective. I understand that from it, we have a lot of what we posses (not in the technological aspect, but rather carnal gnosis).

All religion is just an expressive state of spiritual acknowledgement. From a very spiritual sense of my self, I tend to view spirituality as a practical sense of awareness in which people don't find or turn from themselves, but rather they create themselves, and within this very becoming is the heart of comfort. Some people are "created" by "God", with their own sense of extropy. But its agreeable to assume that man is also delusional, and within the retrospective ideal of singular "truth", comes the sense of pride. Its funny, from the main religions in the world, most of what their denial and hate introspection is, is really just what man is. All ideals, concepts, religions, and masses are expressions of what man really is.
It is also pretty well known that religion is also a form of programming. Its just an easy way for the indifferent and suttle to reach means of "advancement".

You know what I mean ;)

Heh, Dimmu is amazing, I was at a concert of their's in early November.
 
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weirdpuckett

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You want to know something that will really rock yer boat? Many more will be killed on account of Jesus . .. right? have you read scriptures? God told Jesus to sit at his right hand until He(God)makes all of his enemies his footstool . . . .Then in Daniel, He describes the huge army that comes against him in the end times that is completely wipedout and destroyed "without human hands" -in other words, God HIMSELF is going to avenge His servants,His own Holy name,And His beloved City of Jerusalem -without the help of we wimpy little Christians . . ..
 
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Orias

Orias

Left Hand Path
weirdpuckett said:
You want to know something that will really rock yer boat? Many more will be killed on account of Jesus . .. right? have you read scriptures? God told Jesus to sit at his right hand until He(God)makes all of his enemies his footstool . . . .Then in Daniel, He describes the huge army that comes against him in the end times that is completely wipedout and destroyed "without human hands" -in other words, God HIMSELF is going to avenge His servants,His own Holy name,And His beloved City of Jerusalem -without the help of we wimpy little Christians . . ..
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The Bright Beast, this is a good example of what I mean.

Weirdpuckett, I'm going to have to disagree and conclude that many Christians tell many different stories to me, all of them inconsistant with the other.

Not to mention, as a prelude, all religions consist of the same "ideal" intervention. But its a well known fact already that, we live and die, and within each "moralistic" stem planted, another is killed off, simply because right and wrong are intrinsically subjected to one's procreation, hence the term "reprobation".

Its a book of narrowmindedness, and teaches orthodoxly, and "reprimands" the "official" state of introspect into the pan of damnation.

Its propaganda. Though, Christians and Atheists alike are excessive about their religion, both sides often argue an "agreeing" disposition, commonly referring to themselves as "individuals" and "true". Yet while they debate over nonesense scripture and argue about its association of components, it clearly proves that they argue the same side, yet they often assume that one is better than the other.

I've often heard the term, "argue from ignorance", yet within that very argument likes the potential of Opposition. Its funny watching both sides argue over true, if it were true wouldn't it be?

Man finds comfort in delusion, making a fulfilling sense about life and its "enigma".

Sincerely, all that has been comprehended, is, because man idolizes a side of "him".

But then again, this is just what I perceive.

Xeper,

Orias
 
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sniper762

sniper762

Well-Known Member
OP....So... Millions of people have been killed in the name of Jesus Christ. Historians have estimated between 15 million killed in his name. This mostly includes Jews (WWII), Witches (Salem Witch Trials), and Pagans.

none of these were killed in the name of christ. it was in the name of man made ideologies.
 
Orias

Orias

Left Hand Path
sniper762 said:
OP....So... Millions of people have been killed in the name of Jesus Christ. Historians have estimated between 15 million killed in his name. This mostly includes Jews (WWII), Witches (Salem Witch Trials), and Pagans.

none of these were killed in the name of christ. it was in the name of man made ideologies.
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So, whats the point behind this?

sniper762 said:
nope, jesus christ was never involved with ANYTHING pertaining to the ot.
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Orias

Orias

Left Hand Path
sniper762 said:
name the incidents involving the killing of those millions, please
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Try the Christian Crusades, and the eradication of the Pagans. Not to mention, the very eradication of themselves, with the power of the Church. Many Christians prosecuted other Christians for not treason against "God" and not worshipping the "orthodox" way.

Most Abrahamic faiths segregate themselves, and consider the Opposition the "Devil".
 
sniper762

sniper762

Well-Known Member
that is pure speculation. those people were not killed in the name of christ, yet being contrary to "man's" beliefs
 
Orias

Orias

Left Hand Path
sniper762 said:
that is pure speculation. those people were not killed in the name of christ, yet being contrary to "man's" beliefs
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Well your right, it only is historically "correct", and is taught by historians and in school.

I get it, man killed man because he is crazy.
 
Wannabe Yogi

Wannabe Yogi

Well-Known Member
Dezzie said:
So... Millions of people have been killed in the name of Jesus Christ. Historians have estimated between 15 million killed in his name. This mostly includes Jews (WWII), Witches (Salem Witch Trials), and Pagans.
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I would say that many have been killed in Christ's name, this includes many Jews. I would not count the Holocaust as a Christian perpetrated Genocide. ...But... European history is full of ethic cleansing and murder of the Jews.

Dezzie said:
Were these murders Christian worthy?
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No, early Christians were well known pacifists. You could not even be a soldier and join the Christian Church in the first 200 years of Christianity.
 
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