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Prophet Rashad · Sep 4, 2005

Should online ordination be legal? What are your thoughts on places like
Progressive Universal Life Church

Spitural Humanism

and so on and so forth

Runt · Sep 4, 2005

I have actually seen some good uses of sites like these. For example, some people wanted a Wiccan friend of mine to be the priest at their wedding. He wasn't ordained, so he went to the Universal Life site and got ordained, then performed the marriage.

While I can imagine some people randomly ordaining themselves for no reason other than the fact that they can, I don't think something like this is harmful, and so I have no problem with it.

Pah · Sep 4, 2005

Sure - why not. Constitutional law recognizes a religion esentially as whatever one claims it to be. All a state requires when registering a person to perform marriages is accreditation for an recognized authority That authority can be established by requesting the state to grant the authority - a rubber stamp thing. Anybody can perform religious ceremony according to the tenents of what they believe. All clergy go through the same procedure and then qualify as a tax-exempt entity.

Prophet Rashad · Sep 4, 2005

What about those who get it for monatary value and not lets say Wiccans who want to be recognized to do ceremonies. or those who use it and no good motives at all but to fleece a church

-The Prophet

Pah · Sep 4, 2005

Prophet Rashad said:
What about those who get it for monatary value and not lets say Wiccans who want to be recognized to do ceremonies. or those who use it and no good motives at all but to fleece a church

-The Prophet

Seems to me that that already occurs with some and they went through the mainline education process

Runt · Sep 4, 2005

I don't know much about this... so forgive my ignorance...

There is a monetary value associated with ordination?

Prophet Rashad · Sep 4, 2005

Pah said:
Seems to me that that already occurs with some and they went through the mainline education process

Excellent Point

-The Prophet

mr.guy · Sep 4, 2005

Prophet Rashad said:
What about those who get it for monatary value and not lets say Wiccans who want to be recognized to do ceremonies. or those who use it and no good motives at all but to fleece a church

-The Prophet

Some here might argue that the church beat them to that racket.

Prophet Rashad · Sep 4, 2005

Runt said:
I don't know much about this... so forgive my ignorance...

There is a monetary value associated with ordination?

Well there are those who get ordained and perform weddings and there are those who do it so they can become a non profit organization to cheat on taxes and them there are those con artist who do it to steal from the collection plate

-The Prophet

Feathers in Hair · Sep 4, 2005

Erm... Where? Why?

I can't see any reason why it shouldn't be legal. I may be biased, because that's how I am ordained, but...

Hmm... Come to think of it, I hope that wedding my priestess character performed in an online RPG isn't legally binding.

Katzpur · Sep 5, 2005

Prophet Rashad said:
Should online ordination be legal?

Why not? Making ordinations legal doesn't make them valid in God's eyes anyway.

Fluffy · Sep 5, 2005

Lol I agree with Feathers (yet again) but I am also biased because that is how I am ordained as well.

It isn't hurting anyone so what right has the law got to make it illegal?

michel · Sep 5, 2005

Fluffy said:
Lol I agree with Feathers (yet again) but I am also biased because that is how I am ordained as well.

It isn't hurting anyone so what right has the law got to make it illegal?

According to the form I printed out, I am ordained as well - but I think it absurd that one so lacking in religious knowledge such as I can press a button to receive a certificate.

Besides, Fluffy, I don't think you'd find that any ceremony in which you used your 'Priesthood' would have any standing in England - although that is a guess, I must admit that I have to say I'm not sure.

Terrywoodenpic · Sep 5, 2005

It is not illegal in England, but it has no legal standing. not recognised in law. So can't do legal weddings. or register as a charity , no tax benefit. so can't see the reason for doing it.

Terry
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michel · Sep 5, 2005

Terrywoodenpic said:
It is not illegal in England, but it has no legal standing. not recognised in law. So can't do legal weddings. or register as a charity , no tax benefit. so can't see the reason for doing it.

Terry
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That ius the point I was making, about the legality of marriages; at what point does a vicar, or a priest have conferred upon him, the 'legality' 'bit'?

Pah · Sep 5, 2005

Who may conduct a wedding ceremony

A legal marriage in England must be solemnised by an authorised person. This means a registrar of any register office, an ordained minister of the Church of England or a minister of other religious denominations who have been legally authorised to register marriages.

http://www.london.anglican.org/Marriages
It would seem that ordination by the Church of England is sufficient to procure a license to perform marriage. All others must apply for the license.

It is a legal requirement to register births, deaths and marriages. In England and Wales the General Register Office (GRO) has responsibility for these services. You can read the guidelines on the rules and regulations relating to the registration of Births, Deaths, Marriages and Stillbirths on the General Register Office website.

http://www.merton.gov.uk/living/register.htm

Terrywoodenpic · Sep 5, 2005

michel said:
That ius the point I was making, about the legality of marriages; at what point does a vicar, or a priest have conferred upon him, the 'legality' 'bit'?

Pah is right. Though it is very difficult for faiths other than the church of england to get a licence.
I have been to weddings where the Catholic priest and a methodist minister were not licensed. they had to have a registra present to do the registering. As far as I know the Local Bishop licences the anglican priests. ( it is the established church in england)

Terry
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Amen! Truly I say to you: Gather in my name. I am with you.

robtex · Sep 5, 2005

Katzpur said:
Why not? Making ordinations legal doesn't make them valid in God's eyes anyway.

Interesting comment. That might be a thread to itself.

michel · Sep 5, 2005

robtex said:
Interesting comment. That might be a thread to itself.

You are right, Rob; excellent point Katz - I suppose I had been focussing on the legalistic side rather than on the holistic angle.

Fluffy · Sep 6, 2005

According to the form I printed out, I am ordained as well - but I think it absurd that one so lacking in religious knowledge such as I can press a button to receive a certificate.

I dunno. I probably have enough religious knowledge to become a Wiccan priest (that is what I am ordained as) since the usual requirement is a year and a day and I am going on five years now. On the other hand, I do not view it as having a religious value but was simply the product of a very boring day.

Besides, Fluffy, I don't think you'd find that any ceremony in which you used your 'Priesthood' would have any standing in England - although that is a guess, I must admit that I have to say I'm not sure.

Yes i agree with you there. However, if I wanted to marry somebody in certain states of America then it would come in handy lol.

Actually the reason why I did it was because it is legally recognised by many areas of the Western world... just not the one I currently live in

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