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Was Jesus' Sacrifice Significant?
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Aqualung
Tasty
Jonah being a type of Jesus does not mean that the two were doing exactly the same things in exactly the same manner. They were both alive. But both might as well of been dead to the rest of the world. Jonah was swallowed by a whale, and in three days spit back out. He prayed to god and did the work that he needed to do. Jesus was "swallowed up by death," not because he stayed in a state of death for three days, but because the spirit of his dead body went to the place where the spirits of all dead bodies go, and there he did the work that was necessary. Then, death "spit him back out," where he was reunited with his body, just as jonah was reunited with land. Just because somebody is a type doesn't mean that everything will be exactly the same.The Truth said:
Dear Aqualung,Aqualung said:
Don't worry about where Jesus was because he answered that already when he said:
"For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the whale, so will
the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth".
Matthew 12:40
he said as Jonah was in the belly of the whale so Jesus was in the heart of the earth not in the heart of the death or swallowed by death as you mention which makes your claim unvalid.
Peace ...
The truth;
The title of this thread is whas jesus' Sacrifice Significant; I, among others have tried hard to explain our beliefs to you, but you do not seem to accept what we say.
Furthermore, I have not mentioned this until now, but I find the fact that you keep refering to the crucifiction as 'The Cruci -FICTION' almost a way of telling us that you do not even believe in it.
I don't know if you are being deliberately awkward, or if there really is a problem with communication. I have tried hard, and yet you keep asking more and more, repeating the same questions, although theyhave been explained to you.
I hope you will excuse me then, if I decline to take further part in your discussions; I wish you the best, and I truly hope you find the answers to the questions you have.
The title of this thread is whas jesus' Sacrifice Significant; I, among others have tried hard to explain our beliefs to you, but you do not seem to accept what we say.
Furthermore, I have not mentioned this until now, but I find the fact that you keep refering to the crucifiction as 'The Cruci -FICTION' almost a way of telling us that you do not even believe in it.
I don't know if you are being deliberately awkward, or if there really is a problem with communication. I have tried hard, and yet you keep asking more and more, repeating the same questions, although theyhave been explained to you.
I hope you will excuse me then, if I decline to take further part in your discussions; I wish you the best, and I truly hope you find the answers to the questions you have.
Aqualung
Tasty
How does that in any way make my claim invalid? Perhaps the spirit prison to which he traveled is in the heard of the earth. I never said that he was actually somewhere in china (or wherever). I don't know if that verse is figurative (the heart of the earth is metaphorical) or literal (he actually went to the heart of the earth) but it in no way disproves my claims. I didn't mean when he got "swallowed by death" that he was actually in the belly of a guy named Death. This just meant that, as jonah went into the belly of the whale, Jesus went in to the figurative belly of death, or where all the spirits are kept.The Truth said:
Aqualung
Tasty
Well, he went there to preach the gospel to those who had died before it, and to organise up a means for future spirits (such as those who die in a place where there just isn't a church, or perhaps to repreach it to those who didn't beleive) to hear it after they die, too.mr.guy said:
Here's the scripture for it:
Isa: 24:22 prisoners are gathered in the pit
49:9 thou mayest say to the prisoners, go forth
61:1 opening of the prison to them that are bound
Luke 4:18 preach deliverance to the captives
John 5:25 the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God
1 Pet 3:19 preached unto the spirits in prison
4:6 gospel preached also to them that are dead
I don't know what dantes reference was, but does that help?
Aqualung
Tasty
Well, the only reason Jesus came to earth was to fulfill the law and to restore the gospel. So I guess it was significant, because it helped him to restore the gospel to those who hadn't heard it, because they had died in a time when it wasn't around. I don't know if that answers your question. I didn't really know what you were getting atmr. guy said:
Aqualung
Tasty
Okay. I'll do it without the verses now, and then if you can look them up. (sorry) I'll also give you a little background on my bleifs on certain matters, because I think that will help clear things up.
Okay, so he dies. Then, like all spirits, he decends into the spirit realm, where all spirits go after they die. This is kind of a waiting period for spirits. All spirits will either go into a "paradise" or a "hell," depending on whether or not they lived a good life, and also where people who have died without the law. This will be a lot like it is now, except we won't have bodies. We will, however, have all the same thoughts, feelings, etc., which might kind of suck. For example (and I know this may not be the most "appropriate" example, but I think it is most clear one) if you have an addiction to masturbation, you will still feel the need to do that all the time, but you won't have a body to do that with. That might suck. Anyway, Jesus descended into that spirit world. He went to the spirit prison and preached the gospel to all those who had died without it, such as the jews. Then he went to the paradise part of the spirit world and set up sort of a missionary thingy, whree they would go and preach to the spirits who came later (since there would necessarily be more coming all the time). ONe of the things that Christ did when he was on earth was he set up a way for the living to baptise for the dead. See pauls letter to the Corinthians, chpt 15, v 29. He also set up ways for the living to do all the other ordinances that our church beleives in, such as marriage for time and eternity, and sealing families to each other. That way, people who happen to die without an everlasting marriage might be able to still accept that later on in life. Also, people who died without accepting christ will still have a little bit of time after death, too. So essentially christ was busy setting up in the spirit world what he was setting up on earth during his life. Was that in depth enough, or do you need more?
Okay, so he dies. Then, like all spirits, he decends into the spirit realm, where all spirits go after they die. This is kind of a waiting period for spirits. All spirits will either go into a "paradise" or a "hell," depending on whether or not they lived a good life, and also where people who have died without the law. This will be a lot like it is now, except we won't have bodies. We will, however, have all the same thoughts, feelings, etc., which might kind of suck. For example (and I know this may not be the most "appropriate" example, but I think it is most clear one) if you have an addiction to masturbation, you will still feel the need to do that all the time, but you won't have a body to do that with. That might suck. Anyway, Jesus descended into that spirit world. He went to the spirit prison and preached the gospel to all those who had died without it, such as the jews. Then he went to the paradise part of the spirit world and set up sort of a missionary thingy, whree they would go and preach to the spirits who came later (since there would necessarily be more coming all the time). ONe of the things that Christ did when he was on earth was he set up a way for the living to baptise for the dead. See pauls letter to the Corinthians, chpt 15, v 29. He also set up ways for the living to do all the other ordinances that our church beleives in, such as marriage for time and eternity, and sealing families to each other. That way, people who happen to die without an everlasting marriage might be able to still accept that later on in life. Also, people who died without accepting christ will still have a little bit of time after death, too. So essentially christ was busy setting up in the spirit world what he was setting up on earth during his life. Was that in depth enough, or do you need more?