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Will Bush host Katrina victims?

Jayhawker Soule

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Premium Member
Prophet Rashad said:
Well I live in Va and after the storm I donated some money to the red cross and I gave blood and I am not a Millionaire (yet). Bush could have at least done that much. Instead ...
Instead? You know that he has not done any of these things? Please offer your source. Otherwise, please stop fabricating lies to reinforce your political presuppositions. I personally think Bush has the political prowess of a malignant pet rock, but I have no right whatsoever to pretend that he doesn't care about the victims of Katrina - and, in my opinion, neither do you.
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
FeathersinHair said:
It couldn't have been middle class whites, Michel. They had enough sense to get out of the way of the storm, while others allowed themselves to be bogged down by such pesky things as having no method of leaving.

While (as I mentioned before) I don't see myself as 'underprivledged', my family and I (had we been in that area) would not have been able to make it out in time. It scares me to think that those in power might not have had enough empathy to realize that for those involved.

Again, though, I think our efforts would be better focused trying to think of ways to help our fellow humans during this time.
You are right, I agree, and I am sorry for trudging through the mire.........

Having said that, apart from donating money, what can we do?;)
 
michel said:
Another question; one about which I am embarassed to ask, because i may be doing GW a great disfavour by saying this; would it have taken 4 days, if the refugees had been middle class whites ?
If there were middle class white street gangs on the loose, and middle class white people storming buses and helicopters whenever they arrived to evacuate people, and middle class white people firing shots at rescue helicopters, and middle class prisoners roaming around who had to be released from flooded prisons, and if the harbor was filled with floating debris, and if a levy broke and started to flood the roads around the middle class white people making the area extremely inaccessible, and if there were 10,000 middle class white people who all needed transport, then yes I think it would a few days, and I don't think GW would have much to do with it in any case. :banghead3
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
Mr_Spinkles said:
If there were middle class white street gangs on the loose, and middle class white people storming buses and helicopters whenever they arrived to evacuate people, and middle class white people firing shots at rescue helicopters, and middle class prisoners roaming around who had to be released from flooded prisons, and if the harbor was filled with floating debris, and if a levy broke and started to flood the roads around the middle class white people making the area extremely inaccessible, and if there were 10,000 middle class white people who all needed transport, then yes I think it would a few days, and I don't think GW would have much to do with it in any case. :banghead3
Ah, I am sorry, I was not aware of that; I apologise for my lack of knowledge on the subject.:eek:
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
Mr_Spinkles said:
michel-- Oh, don't apologize--it's cool. :)

Is the European press casting the problem as racial rather than logistical?
No - it was what I had noticed from the news programmes I had seen; nearly all of those filmed were black; it was not a great leap to deduce that they were too poor to have escaped within the 48 hours notice - even though it appears I was wrong to do so - again, I apologise.

As far as some of the looters are concerned, I was even imagining myself there, with a wife and children to support - looting food would have had to have been a serious consideration...........:(
 

Feathers in Hair

World's Tallest Hobbit
I think I may need to make an apology, and a severe one at that. Here I am, going on about the economic inequalities, and then turning around and saying "Again, though, I think our efforts would be better focused...", making me sound like I was trying to remind others about this. I was really just trying to remind myself, and I am sorry if I appeared to be trying to 'preach' to anyone! :(
 

Quoth The Raven

Half Arsed Muse
michel said:
No - it was what I had noticed from the news programmes I had seen; nearly all of those filmed were black; it was not a great leap to deduce that they were too poor to have escaped within the 48 hours notice - even though it appears I was wrong to do so - again, I apologise.

As far as some of the looters are concerned, I was even imagining myself there, with a wife and children to support - looting food would have had to have been a serious consideration...........:(
I could be wrong, but I think there's a reasonably biggish black population there from what we've been seeing here. The people on the news collapsing from lack of insulin are black, the people being rescued out of their attic windows are black, the pictures we're seeing of people looting stores are black people, the cops sitting in their patrol cars crying because they can't handle it anymore are black...even on the US news sites I've been reading articles about the whole thing, I think I've seen pictures of 1 white family.
And from what I've read on that sae site, Michel, they can only get a finite number of people out in the busses they have, so instead of saying,'Here are the busses, form an orderly queue,' they've been quietly taking people in small groups to where the busses are leaving from so as not to have any trouble. Though from what I've been hearing the last 12 hours, that seems to have stopped working.:(
 

retrorich

SUPER NOT-A-MOD
Deut. 32.8 said:
Were that the case, I suspect that you would have wasted little time authoring a thread about hypocritical photo-ops.
Deut: I think you are sufficiently busy posting your own pompous, more-intelligent-and-knowledgeable-than-thou put-downs of other posters; you should not waste your valuable time hypothesizing about what my nonexistent posts might have been.
I have no idea what his "PERSONAL [sic] sacrifice" might have been, if any.
His personal sacrifice could be to share his home with some victims of Katrina to get to know "up-close-and personal" how they have suffered--thereby, setting an example for others to do likewise.
Similarly, I have no idea what your "PERSONAL [sic] sacrifice" might have been, if any. That's OK with me; I much prefer anonymous efforts to posturing.
What I do is none of your business; what the President of the United States does is everyone's business.
 

Jaymes

The cake is a lie
Hey guys, just a reminder: let's keep this civil. I understand the emotions are high over Hurricane Katrina; it's a heartbreaking event, and it's all too easy to watch the footage and get caught up in the emotions. Let's remember to, if not respect each other, then at least be civil.
 

retrorich

SUPER NOT-A-MOD
Jensa said:
Hey guys, just a reminder: let's keep this civil. I understand the emotions are high over Hurricane Katrina; it's a heartbreaking event, and it's all too easy to watch the footage and get caught up in the emotions. Let's remember to, if not respect each other, then at least be civil.
You're right, Jensa. I guess what I should do in this case is use the ignore list option. The fact that I haven't done so yet could be an indication that I am a bit of a masochist. :eek:
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
retrorich said:
You're right, Jensa. I guess what I should do in this case is use the ignore list option. The fact that I haven't done so yet could be an indication that I am a bit of a masochist. :eek:
I know it can't be easy for you guys, but i'd prefer the whole subject to go on Ignore; what is done is done - the now is what counts - and the future. Let us at least hope that if New Orleans is rebuilt, it is done with the fact of where it is uppermost in the architects' minds.:)
 
Deut. 32.8 said:
Instead? You know that he has not done any of these things? Please offer your source. Otherwise, please stop fabricating lies to reinforce your political presuppositions. I personally think Bush has the political prowess of a malignant pet rock, but I have no right whatsoever to pretend that he doesn't care about the victims of Katrina - and, in my opinion, neither do you.
I have no political presumptions I love our President I voted for him. But he did drag his feet on this one. I never said he did not care or have personal feelings for the victims of this Disaster. I know for a fact he has appropriated 10+ Billion dollars from the federal govt and that is a fact and if the President had hosted some people at his ranch we would know about it and if he had donated personal money he would have said so. For you to say your pet rock comment who has political presumptions?

-The Prophet
 

Green Gaia

Veteran Member
Prophet Rashad said:
Well I live in Va and after the storm I donated some money to the red cross and I gave blood and I am not a Millionaire (yet). Bush could have at least done that much. Instead he flew over the disaster zone and said awww having congress appropriate the funds was a slap to me because I donated money and instead of the President pulling ot his own checkbook he pulled out the countries.

-The Prophet

(OK, I can't believe I'm about to defend Bush, must be lack of sleep :areyoucra)

How do you know he hasn't given personal money? Just because he isn't declaring it to everyone and how much, doesn't mean he and Mrs. Bush didn't donate.
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
Maize said:

(OK, I can't believe I'm about to defend Bush, must be lack of sleep :areyoucra)

How do you know he hasn't given personal money? Just because he isn't declaring it to everyone and how much, doesn't mean he and Mrs. Bush didn't donate.
Maize - I am amazed at the effects of lack of sleep on you.......

You make a good point; however, my wife made the comment today about the cost incurred in GW 'popping down' to the south in Airforce 1 just to smile and say - "I'm sorry....."

How much must those trips cost ?:rolleyes:
 

Green Gaia

Veteran Member
michel said:
Maize - I am amazed at the effects of lack of sleep on you.......

You make a good point; however, my wife made the comment today about the cost incurred in GW 'popping down' to the south in Airforce 1 just to smile and say - "I'm sorry....."

How much must those trips cost ?:rolleyes:

I don't know. I'm sure it's not cheap. But how many people would be throwing a fit if he didn't go visit? It's expected of him, he had to go.


(Must get more sleep. :bonk: )
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
Maize said:

I don't know. I'm sure it's not cheap. But how many people would be throwing a fit if he didn't go visit? It's expected of him, he had to go.


(Must get more sleep. :bonk: )
I agree, he had to go, and he is the most powerful politician in the Wet (Ouch!) but he could have taken a bus, or he could have walked...........:biglaugh:
 

xander-

Member
I read some post, and i just felt the need to write down my feeling right away.

Duhhh? The press is making it a racial issue(i mean a article saying that a black guy 'looted' something, while the white people 'found' it :p), and duuuh(?) Bush is too? I mean, the idiots a KKK texas ranger moron, who doesn't give a **** about anyone? Other than himself. And his wallet.

-Xandy
 
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