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Midnight Pete

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Yes that is a common description and fairly concordant with my own beliefs.
Regarding Individual liberty especially...which is why I consider personal responsibility to be all important.

After all rebellion is the fountain of liberty :cool:

Yes, but when your bodily organs rebel against you, death waits to take you. Every part of you must cooperate if you are to live. Having one's heart or kidneys or nervous system rebel against oneself is terrible. Even if one organ says, "I want liberty" all the others suffer for it.
 

Primordial Annihilator

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Yes, but when your bodily organs rebel against you, death waits to take you. Every part of you must cooperate if you are to live. Having one's heart or kidneys or nervous system rebel against oneself is terrible. Even if one organ says, "I want liberty" all the others suffer for it.

I have no idea what you are talking about soz.

Could you clarify?
 

Primordial Annihilator

Well-Known Member
So before we derail this tread discussing fairy's muffs...

I have heard of the theory that a highly advanced alien race genetically engineered the human race to be used as a slave work force, and then a member of the alien race assisted the humans in a rebellion overthrowing them. The stories re: these events became the myths around which religions formed. So where does your belief differ?

Theologically speaking...this is very close to what I believe.
 

Primordial Annihilator

Well-Known Member
Rebel and rebel and keep rebelling.
Never surrender your will to anyone..not a King not a God..no one.
Do not suffer to be someones lackey.

To me the very worst thing someone could be is a snivelling sycophantic bootlick.
 

cynic2005

Member
Hi thanks for the interest!

I will attempt to answer your questions as lucidly as I can. :cool:

1) Morality is a difficult question because it is so subjective however I believe that ultimately when one considers what moral choices one must make one should bear in mind the Golden Rule if one wishes to cohabit in a functioning civilised society.
Also one should always recognise that personal responsibility is paramount, one cannot develop and grow as a person until one has learnt to accept responsibility for ones own actions.
It is by looking inwards, obliterating the petty ego of our wants and desires that we see our true selves and if we listen to our true selves we will need no holy book or priest to tell us what is right and what is wrong, it will come naturally to us, like other curious things.

2) My theology is rather simple.
There is no heaven or hell there is only the continual cycle of death and rebirth symbolised by the oldest symbol of all, the Serpent, whom is synoymous with Lucifer.
Lucifer the Light Bearer represents the Serpent in humanlike avataristic form.
It was the Serpent that raised Eve from the animal, allegorically speaking and despite the western/religious demonisation of the Serpent she has always remained a benevolent symbol of healing and knowledge in other cultures...helping mankind throughout the ages.
Lucifer strives to free humanity from its slavery to the false Gods, Lucifer does not seek to replace the false Gods.

Lucifer sees the God in man. ;)

The whole point of existence is to learn...not just worldy knowledge but to come to gnosis...to know what is unknowable...to see through the veil of the animal mind.
Transcendence and Nirvana are good comparisons.

Hope that helps.

Sounds kinda Gnostic there. You would just have to replace Lucifer with Sophia, and then you have Gnosticism.

[edit] I just noticed the Gnostic in parenthesis :)
 
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Primordial Annihilator

Well-Known Member
So are your religious beliefs reflected in your political opinions?

Very much so, my religous beliefs effect all my opinions.

Politically speaking I am a libertarian democrat (with regards to personal and political freedoms)

With regards to economic considerations I am a moderate socialist, I don't despise the pursuit of wealth but I deplore the current divisions between the very wealthy and the extremely poor, in the 21st century no one should be starving.
 
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seeker69

Member
Very much so, my religous beliefs effect all my opinions.

Politically speaking I am a libertarian democrat (with regards to personal and political freedoms)

With regards to economic considerations I am a moderate socialist, I don't despise the pursuit of wealth but I deplore the current divisions between the very wealthy and the extremely poor, in the 21st century no one should be starving.

To me that doesn't really follow though...you say

Rebel and rebel and keep rebelling.
Never surrender your will to anyone..not a King not a God..no one.
Do not suffer to be someones lackey.

To me the very worst thing someone could be is a snivelling sycophantic bootlick.

Yet you’d surrender your will to a State, by agreeing to a democratic or socialist system. I figured you’d be an anarchist.
 

Primordial Annihilator

Well-Known Member
Yet you’d surrender your will to a State, by agreeing to a democratic or socialist system. I figured you’d be an anarchist.

It is still my will to surrender my will, that surrender can be withdrawn if the state starts doing things I cannot agree with.

Anarchy is ok in theory but if you live in a society you as an anarchist can only go so far before you end up in prison.

There is no black and white...everything is grey.

If humanity was infallible then I would wish for pure egalitarian anarchy, self government.

But sadly humanity is not infallible and would abuse such a system until it collapsed.

I think there is a way we can govern ourselves without corruption prejudice and greed infecting our government...and that is by the use of a non human executive...ergo a machine...to make the majority of important decisions that effect everyone.
 
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seeker69

Member
But sadly humanity is not infallible and would abuse such a system until it collapsed.

Yet you’d give extraordinary power to a few fallible humans and expect them not to abuse the system?

I think there is a way we can govern ourselves without corruption prejudice and greed infecting our government...and that is by the use of a non human executive...ergo a machine...to make the majority of important decisions that effect everyone.

You have seen I-Robot, right? I know it’s a movie but I think it does a pretty good job of showing where that leads.
 

Primordial Annihilator

Well-Known Member
Yet you’d give extraordinary power to a few fallible humans and expect them not to abuse the system?

What are you talking about?


You have seen I-Robot, right? I know it’s a movie but I think it does a pretty good job of showing where that leads.

Have you read the original book?
The film is as usual sensationalist bollox from Hollywood that bears little relationship to the actual story Issac Asimov wrote.
I think if you are going to appeal to fantasy films to justify your objection then I think we are done here.
 

Adramelek

Setian
Premium Member
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[quote="Primordial Annihilator, post: 2235115"] 
1) Morality is a difficult question because it is so subjective however I believe that ultimately when one considers what moral choices one must make one should bear in mind the Golden Rule if one wishes to cohabit in a functioning civilised society.
Also one should always recognise that personal responsibility is paramount, one cannot develop and grow as a person until one has learnt to accept responsibility for ones own actions.
It is by looking inwards, obliterating the petty ego of our wants and desires that we see our true selves and if we listen to our true selves we will need no holy book or priest to tell us what is right and what is wrong, it will come naturally to us, like other curious things.
 
2) My theology is rather simple.
There is no heaven or hell there is only the continual cycle of death and rebirth symbolised by the oldest symbol of all, the Serpent, whom is synoymous with Lucifer.
Lucifer the Light Bearer represents the Serpent in humanlike avataristic form.
It was the Serpent that raised Eve from the animal, allegorically speaking and despite the western/religious demonisation of the Serpent she has always remained a benevolent symbol of healing and knowledge in other cultures...helping mankind throughout the ages.
Lucifer strives to free humanity from its slavery to the false Gods, Lucifer does not seek to replace the false Gods.
 
Lucifer sees the God in man. ;)
 
The whole point of existence is to learn...not just worldy knowledge but to come to gnosis...to know what is unknowable...to see through the veil of the animal mind.
Transcendence and Nirvana are good comparisons.[/quote]

Excellent post!:D Now here is one who truly gets it, someone who possesses what we Setians call Understanding.

BTW, Storm, my best friend UV sometimes attends a UU church and from what I understand about the UU's stance on individualism and personal self-expression (among other things) the UU philosophy can be linked somewhat with LHP philosophy.:yes:

For ever in the Dark Light.
/Adramelek\
 
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