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Storm

ThrUU the Looking Glass
I just noticed we have a declared Luciferian actually posting. :woohoo:

Anyway, I know the basics, that Lucifer is seen as a liberator from a tyrannical God, but what else do you believe?

1) What's the basic morality?

2) Tell me a little more about your theology. For instance, is there an equivalent to salvation? Like, will following Lucifer free you from the afterlife paradigm of Heaven/ Hell?

Please not that this thread is in the DIR. No debate from anyone, and non-Luciferians are limited to respectful questions.
 

Primordial Annihilator

Well-Known Member
I just noticed we have a declared Luciferian actually posting. :woohoo:

Anyway, I know the basics, that Lucifer is seen as a liberator from a tyrannical God, but what else do you believe?

1) What's the basic morality?

2) Tell me a little more about your theology. For instance, is there an equivalent to salvation? Like, will following Lucifer free you from the afterlife paradigm of Heaven/ Hell?

Please not that this thread is in the DIR. No debate from anyone, and non-Luciferians are limited to respectful questions.

Hi thanks for the interest!

I will attempt to answer your questions as lucidly as I can. :cool:

1) Morality is a difficult question because it is so subjective however I believe that ultimately when one considers what moral choices one must make one should bear in mind the Golden Rule if one wishes to cohabit in a functioning civilised society.
Also one should always recognise that personal responsibility is paramount, one cannot develop and grow as a person until one has learnt to accept responsibility for ones own actions.
It is by looking inwards, obliterating the petty ego of our wants and desires that we see our true selves and if we listen to our true selves we will need no holy book or priest to tell us what is right and what is wrong, it will come naturally to us, like other curious things.

2) My theology is rather simple.
There is no heaven or hell there is only the continual cycle of death and rebirth symbolised by the oldest symbol of all, the Serpent, whom is synoymous with Lucifer.
Lucifer the Light Bearer represents the Serpent in humanlike avataristic form.
It was the Serpent that raised Eve from the animal, allegorically speaking and despite the western/religious demonisation of the Serpent she has always remained a benevolent symbol of healing and knowledge in other cultures...helping mankind throughout the ages.
Lucifer strives to free humanity from its slavery to the false Gods, Lucifer does not seek to replace the false Gods.

Lucifer sees the God in man. ;)

The whole point of existence is to learn...not just worldy knowledge but to come to gnosis...to know what is unknowable...to see through the veil of the animal mind.
Transcendence and Nirvana are good comparisons.

Hope that helps.
 

Storm

ThrUU the Looking Glass
Awesome, thanks. I'll probably have more questions later, but I'm trying to wrap up my forum session.

For now, a simple one: do you believe Christ was a manifestation/ servant/ whatever of Lucifer?
 

seeker69

Member
Hello, Primordial Annhilator
I was wondering if you know anything about historical Theistic Luciferianism. I swear I read/heard about an old, I think it was Gnostic sect and I see you listed your religion as Luciferian (Gnostic). Can you give me any info on that?
 

Primordial Annihilator

Well-Known Member
Hello, Primordial Annhilator
I was wondering if you know anything about historical Theistic Luciferianism. I swear I read/heard about an old, I think it was Gnostic sect and I see you listed your religion as Luciferian (Gnostic). Can you give me any info on that?

Well my understanding of Lucifer the Fallen Angel, the Light Bearer, the Serpent of Gnosis, stems from a study of many religions and belief systems including Christianity.
I read from the same Bible as any Christian but I interpret it with the understanding that the Bible is an artifact of man...not written by a God...one reads between the lines...one applies critical thought.
The symbology of the Serpent is everywhere in the world and very ancient, and it crops up in almost all religions, extant and extinct.
So there is no authoritive orthodoxy on the subject of Lucifer/Serpent therefore one must discern Lucifer and the Serpent (they are one and the same thing to me) from all the clues that lie in the Bible and other religious works and of course in symbology.
The thing with Gnostic theology is that you are or should be encouraged to come to your own conclusions and it is vital to remember that all that you believe about Lucifer or God or whatever is working progress and mutable.
 
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seeker69

Member
Well, the same principles Theistic Luciferians hold today; they believed God created the world and all that was in it, but they worshipped Lucifer because they felt he brought freedom, free will and reason to the world. The saw the world as a prison or as evil and the creator as not necessarily a benevolent god, I know that last bit was quite common in the Gnostic sects; this one in particular intrigued me. I cannot remember where or when I first heard about them, but it has been several years ago.
 

seeker69

Member
Gnostic Luciferianism, based on ancient Ophite Gnosticism, usually combined with subsequent Western occult traditions. Lucifer is typically seen as both a bringer of spiritual enlightenment and a champion of individual liberty. Some Luciferians are also strongly influenced by LaVeyan Satanism or by the Temple of Set paradigm, though most are not. Luciferians typically make a sharp distinction between "Lucifer" and "Satan" and between "Luciferianism" and "Satanism," although their idea of "Lucifer" typically does borrow at least some themes from the Christian Devil concept. But a few Gnostic Luciferians do identify as "Satanist" as well as "Luciferian"; a well-known example was Herbert Sloane's Lady of Endor Coven, founded back in 1948. Those relatively few Gnostic Luciferians who do see "Lucifer" and "Satan" as the same entity (or as aspects of the same entity) can be considered primary theistic Satanists. Because most Luciferians do not consider themselves to be "Satanists," I won't list any Luciferian groups here, but it is easy to find a few by Googling "Luciferian Gnostic."

taken from:

The varieties of theistic ("traditional") Satanism
 

Primordial Annihilator

Well-Known Member
Well, the same principles Theistic Luciferians hold today; they believed God created the world and all that was in it, but they worshipped Lucifer because they felt he brought freedom, free will and reason to the world. The saw the world as a prison or as evil and the creator as not necessarily a benevolent god, I know that last bit was quite common in the Gnostic sects; this one in particular intrigued me. I cannot remember where or when I first heard about them, but it has been several years ago.

Have you any idea of how old they might be?
Any particular time period that springs to mind?
I am interested because we gnostics have very little recorded history comparative to most other world religions and to discover or rediscover some of that history is always fascinating.
 

Primordial Annihilator

Well-Known Member
Gnostic Luciferianism, based on ancient Ophite Gnosticism, usually combined with subsequent Western occult traditions. Lucifer is typically seen as both a bringer of spiritual enlightenment and a champion of individual liberty. Some Luciferians are also strongly influenced by LaVeyan Satanism or by the Temple of Set paradigm, though most are not. Luciferians typically make a sharp distinction between "Lucifer" and "Satan" and between "Luciferianism" and "Satanism," although their idea of "Lucifer" typically does borrow at least some themes from the Christian Devil concept. But a few Gnostic Luciferians do identify as "Satanist" as well as "Luciferian"; a well-known example was Herbert Sloane's Lady of Endor Coven, founded back in 1948. Those relatively few Gnostic Luciferians who do see "Lucifer" and "Satan" as the same entity (or as aspects of the same entity) can be considered primary theistic Satanists. Because most Luciferians do not consider themselves to be "Satanists," I won't list any Luciferian groups here, but it is easy to find a few by Googling "Luciferian Gnostic."

taken from:

The varieties of theistic ("traditional") Satanism

Yes that is a common description and fairly concordant with my own beliefs.
Regarding Individual liberty especially...which is why I consider personal responsibility to be all important.

After all rebellion is the fountain of liberty :cool:
 

Storm

ThrUU the Looking Glass
2) My theology is rather simple.
There is no heaven or hell there is only the continual cycle of death and rebirth symbolised by the oldest symbol of all, the Serpent, whom is synoymous with Lucifer.
Lucifer the Light Bearer represents the Serpent in humanlike avataristic form.
It was the Serpent that raised Eve from the animal, allegorically speaking and despite the western/religious demonisation of the Serpent she has always remained a benevolent symbol of healing and knowledge in other cultures...helping mankind throughout the ages.
Lucifer strives to free humanity from its slavery to the false Gods, Lucifer does not seek to replace the false Gods.

Lucifer sees the God in man. ;)
Are all Gods false?

Also, are you a theistic Luciferian?
 

Primordial Annihilator

Well-Known Member
Are all Gods false?

Also, are you a theistic Luciferian?

Hmm I should clarify that statement.

All religions that claim that their interpretation of God to be the only true God are false...so there are false Gods for false religions.

Worshipping Gods and Deities whilst acknowledging that their Gods are in fact subjective to them, embracing instead the spiritual rather than the dogmatic and conceding that other Gods 'exist' or could exist, is perfectly acceptable to my mind.
In fact as the UU would agree I think all religions including my own are valid but not altruistic perceptions of God...(the 'real' God is and always is hidden from our parochial little minds)...even the false ones I regret to say.
The problem with the false religions is that they are false not because they are factually wrong but because the driving motive & methodology behind the religion is not spiritual or even holy.

Lucifer sets out to stand for reason and science...Lucifer says man needs no master...he can be his own master.

The 'real' God is a kaledioskope of different faiths/beliefs/dreams and we do see patterns forming.
 
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