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Organ donation

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Majikthise

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Aqualung said:
There is if you think that god told you not to part with them. What would you think if I said "that's very selfish of you to have a gay lover. Men need the women more than you do." You would probably find that very rude, because you think it's natural to have that sort of relationship, and that the best road to take is to follow what is natural, instead of twisting things. People who don't want to donate their organs because of religion think that is the best road to take, because they don't want to twist what God wants of them, and what is consequently "natural," in a sense.
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So if someone in your family would die without one of your kidneys, and you could spare it, you would let them die because god told you to? Or is it different because they are a member of your family and it is ok with god? :confused: I would think a loving god would want to save any life any way possible. The logic does not ring true.
I am not defending the comment about religious beliefs being immature, but the gay comment makes no sense whatsoever as applied to this subject. Religion is a chioce, sexual orientation is not.

I am donating my organs and the rest of me is to be cremated. Enough valuable land is wasted on cemetaries already.
 
jamaesi

jamaesi

To Save A Lamb
But to call someone selfish because of their beleifs is cold, rude, and completely uncalled for.
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You have a right to your beliefs- you don´t have the right to make everyone take you seriously.

I am not defending the comment about religious beliefs being immature
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Where did I say that /religious/ belief was immature?
 
michel

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
It sounds like most of you guys are open to organ donation (and I understand those who don't believe in it because of ther faith - that is understandable). They were also debating, on this particular programme whether the donation of organs should be regulated by either

1) a card saying "I am prepared to donate my organs"
or 2) a card saying " I am not prepared to donate my organs"

I can see the point in the second option. Many people go through life thinking "It will never happen to me, I'll just die a natural death when everything in my body wears out."

Yet the shortage of Kidneys and hearts and lungs is awful here in England - I am sure the same can be said of most countries.

Which way would you be happier with seeing the system implemented?:)
 
Aqualung

Aqualung

Tasty
Majikthise said:
So if someone in your family would die without one of your kidneys, and you could spare it, you would let them die because god told you to?
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I would. if I actually beleived that God told me not to donate a kidney, then I would not save them. It would hurt, but if that were actually God's will, I would know that we would both be exalted in the next life.

Majikthise said:
I would think a loving god would want to save any life any way possible.
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So do I. I never said that I beleived that God told people they shouldn't donate organs, because I don't at all. I was just pointing out that it's rude to call someone selfish because of their religion, as religion is definitely above anything and everything.

Majikthise said:
Religion is a chioce, sexual orientation is not.
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So you say. But that's for a different thread.

Majikthise said:
I am donating my organs and the rest of me is to be cremated. Enough valuable land is wasted on cemetaries already.
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Good idea. I'm planning to donate my body to science, and then have it cremated.
 
Fluffy

Fluffy

A fool
Does anyone believe organ donation should be mandatory? The reasoning being that a body cannot have rights once dead since the person is no longer in possession of their body.
 
jamaesi

jamaesi

To Save A Lamb
Does anyone believe organ donation should be mandatory? The reasoning being that a body cannot have rights once dead since the person is no longer in possession of their body.
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I do.
 
michel

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
jamaesi said:
I do.
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Jamaesi,

I can understand your way of thinking, and I myself would agreed with you (from a personal point of view), but Lintu makes the point that the Jewish do not believe in the body being tampered with after death.

You would have to make allowances for religious beliefs, surely.:)
 
Todd

Todd

Rajun Cajun
I have gone back and forth on this subject. My view (when I was 18 through 25) was that if God decides to raise our body to heaven, how would he find all our organs. Then I thought, if God is all powerful, he would find a way (although, we probably wont need organs in heaven), so now I agree to Organ Donation to help others. I know this might sound funny or goofy, but this is what I thought.

I just think it is good to help others, and God would reward us for that.
 
michel

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
Todd said:
I have gone back and forth on this subject. My view (when I was 18 through 25) was that if God decides to raise our body to heaven, how would he find all our organs. Then I thought, if God is all powerful, he would find a way (although, we probably wont need organs in heaven), so now I agree to Organ Donation to help others. I know this might sound funny or goofy, but this is what I thought.

I just think it is good to help others, and God would reward us for that.
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Whether or not he would reward us is, IMO immaterial; the part I find difficult is that I am happy to give up a kidney, part of my liver (go well with musrooms and bacon:D )- but my family are adamant that I ought not to. I think that the 'nearest and dearest' ought to have input - but there again, that will no doubt be from an emotional stance.:)
 
Fluffy

Fluffy

A fool
Jamaesi,

I can understand your way of thinking, and I myself would agreed with you (from a personal point of view), but Lintu makes the point that the Jewish do not believe in the body being tampered with after death.

You would have to make allowances for religious beliefs, surely.
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If a religion thought that it was right to murder all of a given minority, it is arguable that an allowance should not be made. Some religious people think that, because of their religion, homosexual marriage should be illegal. Where allowance for them should be given is in debate at the moment.

Organ doning is also quite a serious issue since it could save a lot of lives and since life and death is and issue, allowance again comes into question.
 
michel

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
jamaesi said:
Fluffy said it better than I could, Michel.
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I actually did not fully understand what Fluffy meant; you would feel no duty to observe other's wishes in this context ? -I am not saying that I think that wrong; I am open minded; I just find it difficult to equate a rule with the emotions over the death of a loved one.

Fluffy will be well aware (I should imagine) of the problems we faced here in England, when it transpired that, without the parent's permission, organs from dead infants had been kept by the hospitals, for teaching purposes. When the public found out, parents came in from every corner, to demand that the organs that had been retained be interred with their children.

That's not what I would feel (I think) - but I am always conscious of others' feelings.:)
 
Aqualung

Aqualung

Tasty
michel said:
You would have to make allowances for religious beliefs, surely.:)
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I think that you would. But that begs the question, how far do religious rights trump others? What if your religioun stated that you had to kill you first born. Then you would get sentenced with murder. How far should one go to allow religion to trump government.
 
Fluffy

Fluffy

A fool
michel said:
That's not what I would feel (I think) - but I am wlways conscious of others' feelings.
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Ah I see what you mean. Yes I agree with you. I would sympathise and respect their beliefs. I just wouldn't cause such feelings to affect the law which is where I misunderstood.
 
Bastet

Bastet

Vile Stove-Toucher
michel said:
I think that the 'nearest and dearest' ought to have input - but there again, that will no doubt be from an emotional stance.:)
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I have been a registered organ donor since I hit 18. I have a little card in my wallet saying so. I'm pretty sure my immediate family knows this. So if, in their hour of grief, they decided to deny what was in effect my dying wish, you can be sure that I would be pissed off enough to haunt them for life. :mad: Sometimes the 'nearest and dearest' only have their own interests in mind (especially if they are coming from an emotional stance), and should just butt out. Anyone who is a registered organ donor should have their wishes honored, regardless of what the family wants.
 
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