Will someone explain

I request meaning for the following, especially the parts highlighted with blue fonts and the term Dead Sea:
Thanks in advance.

Dear atanu,
The Old Testament is not really my thing. Spontaneously, the sentences you highlight seem quite mystical to me, but I shall have to read them in fuller context fist. I'll get my Bible out and get back to you later!

Regards,
Hermit

Ps. What do they mean to you?

atanu said:

I request meaning for the following, especially the parts highlighted with blue fonts and the term Dead Sea:

Isaiah 29 (Amplified Bible)
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6You shall be visited and delivered by the Lord of hosts with thunder and earthquake and great noise, with whirlwind and tempest and the flame of a devouring fire.
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7And the multitude of all the nations that fight against Ariel , even all that fight against her and her stronghold and that distress her, shall be as a dream, a vision of the night.
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8It shall be as when a hungry man dreams that he is eating, but he wakens with his craving not satisfied; or as when a thirsty man dreams that he is drinking, but he wakens and is faint, and his thirst is not quenched. So shall the multitude of all the nations be that fight against Mount Zion.
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9Stop and wonder and be confounded ! Blind yourselves and then be blinded . They are drunk, but not from wine; they stagger, but not from strong drink .
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10For the Lord has poured out on you the spirit of deep sleep. And He has closed your eyes, the prophets; and your heads, the seers, He has covered and muffled.
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11And the vision of all this has become for you like the words of a book that is sealed. When men give it to one who can read, saying, Read this, I pray you, he says, I cannot, for it is sealed.
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12And when the book is given to him who is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray you, he says, I cannot read.
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13And the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near Me with their mouth and honor Me with their lips but remove their hearts and minds far from Me, and their fear and reverence for Me are a commandment of men that is learned by repetition [without any thought as to the meaning]
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14Therefore, behold! I will again do marvelous things with this people, marvelous and astonishing things; and the wisdom of their wise men will perish, and the understanding of their discerning men will vanish or be hidden.

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atanu said:

Thanks in advance.

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This chapter reveals the physical wealth that God will unveil under Christ’s rule. Isaiah 60:5-18 (ASV) shows that “the abundance of the sea” and “the wealth of the nations” will be given to those whom Christ restores during His Millennial reign. Their cities will be “majestic,” they will be rich in gold and silver (vs. 17) and will be safe (vs. 18) And where is all this great wealth going to come from?

Isaiah 60:5 gives us a possible answer. “The abundance of the sea” does not only include fish for food and tidal currents for power, but “A cubic mile of it [sea water] can contain up to 25 tons of gold and up to 45 tons of silver” (“Why is the Ocean Salty?” study paper by, The United States Geological Survey). Other studies suggest that there are over 9 million tons of gold in the ocean. This is about 150 times the amount of gold mined in human history!

atanu said:

19The sun shall no more be your light by day, nor for brightness shall the moon give light to you, but the Lord shall be to you an everlasting light, and your God your glory and your beauty.

20Your sun shall no more go down, nor shall your moon withdraw itself, for the Lord shall be your everlasting light, and the days of your mourning shall be ended.

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Since this chapter has obvious prophetic overtones, these verses are describing the New Heavens and New Earth mentioned in the book of Revelation:

Rev 21:23 The city had no need of the sun or of the moon to shine in it, for the glory of God illuminated it. The Lamb is its light.

Rev 22:5 There shall be no night there: They need no lamp nor light of the sun, for the Lord God gives them light. And they shall reign forever and ever.

Thank you for your interesting question!
Isaiah 29:10-14 refer to the religious blindness of the Israelites prior to the birth of Christ. God,speaking through the prophet Isaiah,tells the people that it is like dreaming you are eating or drinking,and when you wake up,you are still hungry. False religion is like that: it seems filling,but when you awaken,you are still the same,"hungry".This blindness is also spoken of in Isaiah 52: 12-13,"Behold,my Servant shall do prudently, He shall be exalted and extolled,and be very high.As many were astonished at Thee.His visage was so marred,more than any man,and His form,more than the sons of men.So shall He sprinkle many nations. The kings shall shut their mouths at His,for that which they had not been told shall they see,and that which they had not heard shall they consider." These verses refer to the (from Isaiah's viewpoint) future sacrificial death on the cross of Jesus Christ,Son of God. This was hidden from the Jewish people,as was the real identity of their Messiah,Jesus. They were blinded by their refusal to obey God's Law.
Now, Isaiah 60: is one of the really sweet verses of the Old Testament.You really should read verse one in the King James Bible,"Arise,shine,for thy light has come".And look at verse three."The Gentiles will come to thy light." Now,we know that many Gentiles HAVE come to Jesus for redemption, but not all,by any means. This prophecy refers to the future (from our day,even) when Jesus sets up His Kingdom on earth,to rule and reign from Jerusalem as the King of the Earth. Verse four speaks of the Jewish people "flowing" back into Israel during this 1,000 year period, and it will be like the sea,flowing into Israel. You will also notice that he King James does not call this sea the Dead Sea,but just plain sea, making it figurative,and not the real Dead Sea.
So,where do YOU fit in all this? God is not willing that any perish,but that all would come to repentence.
Check out "Is Christ Your Lord?" by A.W.Pink (Google it up) It will fill in the rest.

Thanks again! I love speaking for my Saviour!
Edmond BlackAdder

James2KO,I was writing this even as you were! Nice answer!
As always,The Bible Speaks For Itself!

BA

BLACK ADDER said:

As always,The Bible Speaks For Itself!

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It most certainly does. A word to the wise, if you want your post read, you may want to break up your responses in small paragraphs. Makes it easier on the eyes and brain.

james2ko said:

It most certainly does. A word to the wise, if you want your post read, you may want to break up your responses in small paragraphs. Makes it easier on the eyes and brain.

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Want to thank you for that suggestion james.
It is indeed a strain for those with poor eye-sight to concentrate on a continuous post
Btw , great replies !

Beta said:

Want to thank you for that suggestion james.
It is indeed a strain for those with poor eye-sight to concentrate on a continuous post
Btw , great replies !

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I sometimes get carried away myself with long paragraphs. Guess I should start practicing what I preach.

Hermit Philosopher said:

Dear atanu,
The Old Testament is not really my thing. Spontaneously, the sentences you highlight seem quite mystical to me, but I shall have to read them in fuller context fist. I'll get my Bible out and get back to you later!

Regards,
Hermit

Ps. What do they mean to you?

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Hi Hermit

I have only some opinion which i will share. These verses are mystical to me as well. I will await your contemplative understanding.

Regards

james2ko said:

Since this chapter has obvious prophetic overtones, these verses are describing the New Heavens and New Earth mentioned in the book of Revelation:

Rev 21:23 The city had no need of the sun or of the moon to shine in it, for the glory of God illuminated it. The Lamb is its light.

Rev 22:5 There shall be no night there: They need no lamp nor light of the sun, for the Lord God gives them light. And they shall reign forever and ever.

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Hello james (and BA)

Thanks for your valuable replies. I have seen your post where you stated that Bible should be interpreted literally only as far as proof otherwise is not offered. I agree to that. Else imagination runs wild. However, honestly, for the above verses i am not able to accept the pure literal understanding and that was the reason for the thread.

Thanks for your help.

Regards

atanu said:

Hello james (and BA)

Thanks for your valuable replies. I have seen your post where you stated that Bible should be interpreted literally only as far as proof otherwise is not offered. I agree to that. Else imagination runs wild. However, honestly, for the above verses i am not able to accept the pure literal understanding and that was the reason for the thread.

Thanks for your help.

Regards

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You're quite welcome. The bible is not meant to be used as a tool by Christians to convert others. This is why it is not compiled in A-Z fashion. We are to use it as a witnessing mechanism (Mat 24:14). It is also used by God as a training manual for those few whom He has called so they may be qualified to teach it to other humans, as supernatural co-rulers with Christ, during His 1,000 year reign (Rev 5:10; Rev 20:6).

God has deliberately hidden its secrets from the general population. Similar to what Isaiah and Paul mentioned in the verses above. Jesus also made this plain to His disciples in Matt 13:10-11.

Contrary to popular belief, God is not trying to save the whole world in this life. But there will come a day when everyone that ever lived will have an opportunity to learn the secrets of this most mysterious book.

It would seem that according to Isa 57:20 and Revelation 17:1, 15 the “waters” are said to mean “peoples and crowds and nations and tongues.” Isaiah further prophesied to God’s “woman” Zion: “Because to you the wealthiness of the sea will direct itself; the very resources of the nations will come to you.” (Isa 59:20; 60:1, 5) This seems to mean the turning of many persons from among the multitudes of earth toward God’s symbolic “woman”, God's family of worshipers. This in turn causes pure worship to flourish.

I find it difficult to relate unlimited treasure of Dead Sea (Isaiah 60) to the Dead Sea, which has lot of treasured chemicals. I also cannot relate why possession of chemicals will lead to a state where one's sun would no more go down (Isaiah 60).

The following makes more sense, IMO.

The Dark Night of the Soul
St John of the Cross

On a dark night,
Kindled in love with yearnings--oh, happy chance!--
I went forth without being observed,
My house being now at rest.
In darkness and secure,
By the secret ladder, disguised--oh, happy chance!--
In darkness and in concealment,
My house being now at rest.
In the happy night,
In secret, when none saw me,
Nor I beheld aught,
Without light or guide, save that which burned in my
heart.
This light guided me
More surely than the light of noonday
To the place where he (well I knew who!) was awaiting me--
A place where none appeared.
Oh, night that guided me,
Oh, night more lovely than the dawn,
Oh, night that joined Beloved with lover,
Lover transformed in the Beloved!
Upon my flowery breast,
Kept wholly for himself alone,
There he stayed sleeping, and I caressed him,
And the fanning of the cedars made a breeze.
The breeze blew from the turret
As I parted his locks;
With his gentle hand he wounded my neck
And caused all my senses to be suspended.
I remained, lost in oblivion;
My face I reclined on the Beloved.
All ceased and I abandoned myself,
Leaving my cares forgotten among the lilies.

The Dark Night of the Soul seems to be spoken of in Koran also, although I do not know whether any muslim will connect it this way or not?

"The Nightly Visitant"

In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful.

"86.1":I swear by the heaven and the comer by night;
"86.2":And what will make you know what the comer by night is?
"86.3":The star of piercing brightness;
"86.4":There is not a soul but over it is a keeper.
"86.5":So let man consider of what he is created:
"86.6":He is created of water pouring forth,
"86.7":Coming from between the back and the ribs.
"86.8":Most surely He is able to return him (to life).
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atanu said:

Hi Hermit

I have only some opinion which i will share. These verses are mystical to me as well. I will await your contemplative understanding.

Regards

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Dear atanu,
I'm somewhat embarrassed here...
Before looking them up in my own Bible, I thought I had an idea of what was being said in some of the passages in question. Unfortunately now, I think I might just have been mistaken . Luckily though, as noticeable in thread already, there are many people on this forum who really are capable of helping you out

Wishing you pleasant and rewarding Bible-studies,
Hermit

Ps. I find that the Bible speaks more about the spiritual world, than about the physical one. But, because it must do so in words which, inevitably are tied to the physical, most of its content is very easily misinterpreted, unless received in a spiritual frame of mind.

Hermit Philosopher said:

Dear atanu,
I'm somewhat embarrassed here...
Before looking them up in my own Bible, I thought I had an idea of what was being said in some of the passages in question. Unfortunately now, I think I might just have been mistaken . Luckily though, as noticeable in thread already, there are many people on this forum who really are capable of helping you out

Wishing you pleasant and rewarding Bible-studies,
Hermit

Ps. I find that the Bible speaks more about the spiritual world, than about the physical one. But, because it must do so in words which, inevitably are tied to the physical, most of its content is very easily misinterpreted, unless received in a spiritual frame of mind.

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Dear Hermit

I am a bit dissapointed because I was looking forward to your response. I agree with you regarding Bible (or, IMO, scriptures in general), which mainly is concerned with the ungraspable . Of what use is scripture to reiterate the mundane which is evident sensually? Although, I do not understand the reason of your being embarassed, I was honestly taken aback with explanation of these verses in Amplified Bible. Hope to hear from you on other matters though.

Regards
Om

It's mathematics.

Then again, I'm biased; but today's wealth of knowledge and the rise of atheism is like "the prophets silenced and the seers blinded," and those of us who see not with word but number know that god lurks in the mathematics.

ellenjanuary said:

It's mathematics.

Then again, I'm biased; but today's wealth of knowledge and the rise of atheism is like "the prophets silenced and the seers blinded," and those of us who see not with word but number know that god lurks in the mathematics.

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I still say that there is a connection 'unknown' between the being and the mathematics. Some say: the truth is 'neither a being nor a non being' (as in deep sleep). Some say that the truth is 'being' (as in the I assertion in waking). Some others say that there is a linkage between the 'being' and the 'neither a being nor a non being'.

Regards

Om

What does it really mean?

atanu said:

"And the Lord was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron."
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What does it really mean?

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In their conquest of the Promised Land, the Israelites were confronted with war chariots equipped with iron scythes. After Joshua’s death, the tribes of Israel fail to drive the remaining inhabitants of Canaan out of the land. Instead, they intermarry with these pagans and are ensnared by their false religion. Jehovah God abandons them to their foes; but from time to time he raises up Judges to deliver them.