Uncertaindrummer
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Okay.glasgowchick said:Hi, Here is why I believe we don't need anything more that the Bible to teach us about Christ Jesus and the way of salvation..This is my belief and I speak for myself on this.
Yes, it is. No one is doubting that.Its Origin
Inspired 2 Timothy 3: 16 All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction and for training in righteouness...
That is a huge jump. Nowhere in there did anything say the Bible was sufficient, or that we should use only the Scriptures for our salvation. Indeed the Bible says quite the contrary, in Matthew 18 and 1 Timothy 3: 15, for starters.With these above verses alone, I don't see anything else needed to trust that the Bible we have is the word of God..If its not then Peter must have lied.
You are makign the classic mistake of assuming "Word of God" means the Bible. It does not always mean the Bible. JESUS is the Word of God so of course the Word saves us.Its Purpose
It keeps us from sin Ps 119:11 " Your word I have treasured in my heart that I may not sin against you.."
It Lights our way PS 119:105 " Your word is a lamp to my feet and a light to my path"
It purifies us..1Peter 1:22 Since you have in obedience to the truth purified your souls for a sincere love of the brethren, feverently love one another from the heart..
Free us John 8:32 And you will know the truth and the truth will make you free.
It saves us..James 1:21 Therefore putting aside all filthiness and all that remains of wickedness, in Humainity recieve the word implanted Which is able to SAVE YOUR SOULS..
Once again you assume these thigns are talking about Scripture. Not only that, but you then assume they are talkign about Scripture ALONE. Nowhere does it say either.Its Compleatness
ALL TRUTH..John 16:13 [ Scripture written out in previously above ]
ALL THINGS 2 peter 1:3 Seeing that HIS DIVINE power has granted us to us EVERYTHING PERTAINING TO LIFE AND GODLINESS through the TRUE KNOWLEGE of Him who called us by his own glory and excellence.
The Whole counsil Acts 20:27 2 For I did not shrink from declaring to you the WHOLE PURPOSE OF GOD...
Notice something there? "Preached" to you. Peter doesn't say "The words which were written to you", he says "preached". Now why would he do that?Its indestructability
Lasts forever Mathew 24:35 Heaven and earth will pass away but my words will not pass away..
1 Peter 1:25 But the words of the Lord endure forever And this is the Word that was preached to you...
The Bible warns
Once again you equate "Word of God" with "Scripture alone". You have given no basis for this gigantic assumption.Do not add or subtract from Deut 4:2 you shall not add to the word which I am commanding you , NOR take away from it, that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God...
Proverbs 30:6 Do Not add to His words or he will reprove you and you will be proved a liar..
Rev 22: 18-19 I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book if anyone adds to them God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book.
Do not substitute Human Ideas Mark 7:7-9 But in vain do they worship me Teaching as Doctrines of men Neglecting the Commandment of God you hold to the tradition of men..
Preach and teach only Gods word...2Timothy 4:2 Preach the word, be ready in season and out of season, reprove, rebuke, exhort with great patience and instruction..[See also 1Peter 4:11]
Believe no other Gospel Galations 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you any other Gospel contrary to what we have preached to you he is to be accursed..
His word will judge us John 12: 48 " He who rejects me and DOES NOT MY SAYINGS, has one who judges him the word I spoke is what will judge him at the last day..
Here's why you need something more. Do you believe Baptism is necessary for salvation? Well either way, there are TONS of Protestants who disagree with you. Which means that SOME of you are TOTALLY WRONG about whether or not you need Baptism to be saved. Now who answers the question? Who has the final authority? You can't say the Bible because you are ALL claiming to go on the "Bible alone".Well I can't answer anymore than I have already done as to why I would need anything more..Its all there
Another reason you need something else. No book can verify itself. That is a fact. You can't verify a book from within. Totally circular logic. Until someone answers me that I will never even HOPE to udnerstand how you live with this amazing logical inconsistency in your belief system.
And then of course, there IS NO LIST OF BOOKS in the Bible. Now if Everythign we need to know is in the Bible, and the list of what CONSTITUTES the Bible isn't in the Bible... Well, there goes that theory!
Finally, as a reiteration, you simply have no idea which books are inspired, and without some other authority, you can't SAY with certainty which books are inspired.