tomato1236
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From the bible. I think this has been covered.
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The Cross
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From the bible. I think this has been covered.
dogsgod
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Acts is from The Bible and it says Jesus was hung on a tree.
tomato1236
Ninja Master
Good eye, chief.
Renji
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I'm sorry, but isn't this a metaphor? I think the Romans on that time punishes the criminals by crucifying them, not by "hanging them on a tree" (in the literal sense).
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JohnAmes
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Ezekiel 20:6 "Each of you, get rid of the vile images you have set your eyes on, and do not
defile yourselves with the idols of Egypt."
Isaiah 46:1 "their idols are borne by beasts of burden. The images that are carried about are
burdensome, "
Isaiah 46:6 "Some pour out gold from their bags, and weigh out silver on the scales; they hire a
goldsmith to make it into a god, and they bow down and worship it. They lift it to their shoulders
and carry it; they set it up in its place, and there it stands.
defile yourselves with the idols of Egypt."
Isaiah 46:1 "their idols are borne by beasts of burden. The images that are carried about are
burdensome, "
Isaiah 46:6 "Some pour out gold from their bags, and weigh out silver on the scales; they hire a
goldsmith to make it into a god, and they bow down and worship it. They lift it to their shoulders
and carry it; they set it up in its place, and there it stands.
JohnAmes
Member
Isaiah 44 The Lord not Idols
Isaiah 44:9 All who make idols are nothing, and the things they treasure are worthless.Those who would speak up tor them are blind; they are ignorant, to their own shame. Who shapes a god and casts an idol, which can profit him nothing? He and his kind will be put to shame; craftsmen are nothing but men. Let them all come together and take their stand; they will be brought down to terror and infamy.
Is. 44:12 The blacksmith takes a tool and works with it in the coals; he shapes an idol with hammers,he forges it with the might of his arm. He gets hungry and loses his strength; he drinks no water and grows faint. The carpenter measures with a line and makes an outline with a marker; he roughts it out with chisels and marks it with compasses. He shapes it in the form of man, of man in all his glory, that it may dwell in a shrine.
Isaiah 44:9 All who make idols are nothing, and the things they treasure are worthless.Those who would speak up tor them are blind; they are ignorant, to their own shame. Who shapes a god and casts an idol, which can profit him nothing? He and his kind will be put to shame; craftsmen are nothing but men. Let them all come together and take their stand; they will be brought down to terror and infamy.
Is. 44:12 The blacksmith takes a tool and works with it in the coals; he shapes an idol with hammers,he forges it with the might of his arm. He gets hungry and loses his strength; he drinks no water and grows faint. The carpenter measures with a line and makes an outline with a marker; he roughts it out with chisels and marks it with compasses. He shapes it in the form of man, of man in all his glory, that it may dwell in a shrine.
JohnAmes
Member
Is. 44:13 The carpenter measures with a line and makes an outline with a marker; he roughts it out with chisels and marks it with compasses. He shapes it in the form of man, of man in all his glory, that it may dwell in a shrine.
But he also fashions a god and worships it; he makes an idol and bows down to it.
Exodus 20 The Ten Commandments
20:4 You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God,....
Revelation 9:20 "The rest of mankind that were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the work of ther hands; thed did not stop worshipping demons, and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone and wood- idos that cannot see or hear or walk.
But he also fashions a god and worships it; he makes an idol and bows down to it.
Exodus 20 The Ten Commandments
20:4 You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God,....
Revelation 9:20 "The rest of mankind that were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the work of ther hands; thed did not stop worshipping demons, and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone and wood- idos that cannot see or hear or walk.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I found a verse that said a man should not be despised for stealing food when he is hungry.
Morlity is not neccessarily a question of right or wrong but whether it is a good thing to do or not. Generally speaking staling is not a good thing to do.
I once gave a hippie a ride to Boston from DC and she talked about her time in a commune. Theoretically a person doesn't have personal property but she found it disconcerting that something she needed had walked off with someone else.
I hide my nail clipper and keep a house nail clipper in the medicine cabinet. The one in the medicine cabinet has a bad habit of disappearing to other parts of the house.
McBell
Resident Sourpuss
dogsgod
Well-Known Member
Those uses sound metaphorical. What do they mean to you?
McBell
Resident Sourpuss
Really?
You asked where the idea of the cross came from.
Seems to me that post #28 sufficiently answers the question.
What difference does it make if they are metaphoric
Do you really think that Jesus wants Christians to actually carry huge crosses on their backs?
Perhaps I am misunderstanding what you are trying to get at....
dogsgod
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Sorry, I meant where the idea of Jesus being crucified on a cross came from. The NT states he was crucified or hung on a tree.Really?
You asked where the idea of the cross came from.
Seems to me that post #28 sufficiently answers the question.
What difference does it make if they are metaphoric
Do you really think that Jesus wants Christians to actually carry huge crosses on their backs?
Perhaps I am misunderstanding what you are trying to get at....
- Acts 10:39
"We are witnesses of everything he did in the country of the Jews and in Jerusalem. They killed him by hanging him on a tree,
- Acts 13:29
When they had carried out all that was written about him, they took him down from the tree and laid him in a tomb.
Charity
Let's go racing boys !
The cross was made from a tree that had been cut and made into a cross.....There are 3 types of crosses that were traditionally the ones used. That is why it states that Jesus was hung on a tree....
The symbolic part of the cross for Christians is saying we all have our cross to bear. Not that we literally take up a cross and carry it on our back....Maybe we have a handicap or some physical deformity. Maybe it is a problem in our life that constantly nags us which we may refer to as our cross to bear. The cross symbolizes the glory of the gospel of Christ. The debt of sin against the Christian was nailed to the cross and we having been crucified with Christ are now free from sin.
The symbolic part of the cross for Christians is saying we all have our cross to bear. Not that we literally take up a cross and carry it on our back....Maybe we have a handicap or some physical deformity. Maybe it is a problem in our life that constantly nags us which we may refer to as our cross to bear. The cross symbolizes the glory of the gospel of Christ. The debt of sin against the Christian was nailed to the cross and we having been crucified with Christ are now free from sin.
2 Tim 3:16 -- "All Scripture is God-breathed (theopnuestos). . .", from the very mouth (breath) of God.
Therefore, it is the measure of, and the standard for, all doctrine and practice.
McBell
Resident Sourpuss
You forgot the verse that states the BIBLE is God-Breathed.
Or are you one who confuses the Bible with Scripture?
McBell
Resident Sourpuss
Perhaps it is from verses that indicate Jesus was crucified on a cross?
Like:
Matthew 27:40
and saying, You destroying the temple and building it in three days, save yourself. If you are the Son of God, come down from the cross.
Matthew 27:42
He saved others, but he cannot save himself. If he is the King of Israel, let him now come down from the cross, and we will believe him.
MarK
15:30 save yourself and come down from the cross!
MarK 15:32
Let Christ the King of Israel now come down from the cross, so that we may see and believe. And they who were crucified with Him insulted Him.
LukE 23:26
And as they led Him away, they laid hold on one Simon, a Cyrenian, coming out of the country. And they laid the cross on him, that he might carry it after Jesus.
One wonders how one carries a TREE on ones back...and saying, You destroying the temple and building it in three days, save yourself. If you are the Son of God, come down from the cross.
Matthew 27:42
He saved others, but he cannot save himself. If he is the King of Israel, let him now come down from the cross, and we will believe him.
MarK
15:30 save yourself and come down from the cross!
MarK 15:32
Let Christ the King of Israel now come down from the cross, so that we may see and believe. And they who were crucified with Him insulted Him.
LukE 23:26
And as they led Him away, they laid hold on one Simon, a Cyrenian, coming out of the country. And they laid the cross on him, that he might carry it after Jesus.
John 19:31
Then the Jews, because it was Preparation, begged Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away, so that the bodies should not remain on the cross on the sabbath. For that sabbath was a high day.
Then the Jews, because it was Preparation, begged Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away, so that the bodies should not remain on the cross on the sabbath. For that sabbath was a high day.
Thanks.
I feel a whole lot more like I do now than I did before.
That would be a pole, which is made from a tree.
The references to "tree" (Ac 10:29, 13:29) and "pole" (implied in Jn 3:14-15)** in relation to the cross
are because of Dt 21:23, which is repeated in Gal 3:13 -- "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree."
** Nu 21:8-9 -- "The LORD said to Moses, 'Make a snake and put it on a pole; anyone who is bitten can look at it and live.'
So Moses made a bronze snake and put it up on a pole. Then when anyone was bitten by a snake and looked at the bronze snake, he lived."
The bronze snake was the remedy for the live snake.
This incident is a type, or picture, of the future Messiah,
who would be lifted up on a tree, pole, cross (sacrificial death),
so that all who suffered spiritual death (fallen nature, original sin) because of the snake in the Garden,
but who looked to him (believed in him) who was the remedy, would have eternal life.
Jn 3:14-15 -- "Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the desert, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life."
Jn 12:32 -- "But I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all to myself."
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Pehaps God will consult you next time.
The empty grave is not the remedy for the snake in the Garden. . .Jesus' sacrifice on the cross is the remedy.
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