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Why do i have to believe?
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Fascist Christ
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You are speaking now of immorality, not sin. I can say that Hitler acted in a manner contrary to my moral code. However, he would not agree:AV1611 said:
"I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty Creator. By warding off the Jews I am fighting for the Lord's work." Adolf Hitler, 1936
I can prove this to be contrary to my moral code. As I have said earlier, I do not believe that god has any prejudice in death. We shall all die one day, regardless to religion, class, or actions. Therefore, we are all equal. I feel that we ought to reflect god's kindness without prejudice. Also, I do not believe that god causes anyone to die prematurely. Likewise, we ought to reflect that, and refrain from killing each other.
Do I consider Hitler to have sinned? No. Do I claim that I am sinless? No. I do not believe in sin, so these are irrelevant. What Hitler did to the Jews and the Atheists and the gays and the dissenters, was despicable - much like the Old Testament of the Christian bible.
What is immorality other than a wishy-washy term for sin?Fascist Christ said:
Who then did you ward off when you hid in a bunker and blew your brains out like a coward? AV, 1611
BE NOT OVER MUCH WICKED, NEITHER BE THOU FOOLISH: WHY SHOULDEST THOU DIE BEFORE THY TIME? - (Ecclesiastes 7:17)
IF ANY AN SEE HIS BROTHER SIN A SIN WHICH IS NOT UNTO DEATH, HE SHALL ASK, AND HE SHALL GIVE HIM LIFE FOR THEM THAT SIN NOT UNTO DEATH. THERE IS A SIN UNTO DEATH: I DO NOT SAY THAT HE SHOULD PRAY FOR IT. - (1 John 5:16)
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So then back to the original statement you made to me. Am I to believe then, that since YOU think there is no such a thing as sin, but I do, that I'm using 'gimmicks' and 'laying guilt trips' on people? You laid that accusation on me because YOU don't believe?
May I defend it then by saying your accusation is based on ignorance, faulty definition, and disregard for Scripture?
THE WORD OF THE LORD CAME UNTO ME AGAIN, SAYING, WHAT MEAN YE, THAT YE USE THIS PROVERB CONCERNING THE LAND OF ISRAEL, SAYING, THE FATHERS HAVE EATEN SOUR GRAPES, AND THE CHILDREN'S TEETH ARE SET ON EDGE?Melody said:Good boys gone bad? Nice people who had bad parents?
THE SOUL THAT SINNETH, IT SHALL DIE. THE SON SHALL NOT BEAR THE INIQUITY OF THE FATHER, NEITHER SHALL THE FATHER BEAR THE INIQUITY OF THE SON: - (Ezekiel 1:1-2;20)
This Sigmund Freud junk is not supported by Scripture.
joeboonda
Well-Known Member
I believe in sin because I believe the Bible to be God's word and it says sin exists. Personaly, I see it all around me and experience it in my own life as well. Now if you do not believe in the Bible that is your choice. It does not mean sins does not exist. If a truck was about to hit you and I warned you, and you chose not to believe me, that still does not mean the truck does not exist and will not hit you.
You may decide not to believe the Bible, that is your free choice. I am here to proclaim the good news of the free pardon you may have from your sin through the blood of Christ. I do not like to debate, I rather, am telling you as one who loves you what I believe and am certain of, to me, being the truth. You can argue it, reject it, or whatever you want, but at least you cannot say I did not warn you that there is such a thing as sin, we all have sinned, and all are on our way to an eternal Hell unless we accept the one way which God provided for us to be cleansed, the blood of Christ, offered freely to anyone who will believe in Christ, that his death paid for our sins, God was satisfied with the payment and its a done deal.
This is the truth of the Bible, I am only warning you out of love and concern for your eternal soul. Choose not to believe me, or choose other 'variations' of what I say, but I speak to you from the heart, I am telling you what I am 100% certain of, for myself at least, the truth. Others may not believe me, and want to argue different points, but I am simply stating what I have come to believe in my lifetime. Take it or leave it, but at least consider it. That's really all I can say, my personal beliefs, do with them what you will. PEACE!
You may decide not to believe the Bible, that is your free choice. I am here to proclaim the good news of the free pardon you may have from your sin through the blood of Christ. I do not like to debate, I rather, am telling you as one who loves you what I believe and am certain of, to me, being the truth. You can argue it, reject it, or whatever you want, but at least you cannot say I did not warn you that there is such a thing as sin, we all have sinned, and all are on our way to an eternal Hell unless we accept the one way which God provided for us to be cleansed, the blood of Christ, offered freely to anyone who will believe in Christ, that his death paid for our sins, God was satisfied with the payment and its a done deal.
This is the truth of the Bible, I am only warning you out of love and concern for your eternal soul. Choose not to believe me, or choose other 'variations' of what I say, but I speak to you from the heart, I am telling you what I am 100% certain of, for myself at least, the truth. Others may not believe me, and want to argue different points, but I am simply stating what I have come to believe in my lifetime. Take it or leave it, but at least consider it. That's really all I can say, my personal beliefs, do with them what you will. PEACE!
Fascist Christ
Active Member
Sin is merely the word for what Christians find immoral. I do not require a buzz word for my moral code.AV1611 said:
No, because I pity you. It is my belief that you have been deceived, and you know not what you do. You may think the same of me, so that should be a fair statement.AV1611 said:
You may, but that does not make you correct. I am trying to point out and criticize the coercion techniques of the Christian evangelists. Feel free to do the same regarding my techniques.AV1611 said:
Fascist Christ
Active Member
Once you define a term to reflect certain aspects of real life, comon sense dictates that you will see it. It has always been there, you just gave it a name.joeboonda said:
But neither does it mean that there is a truck. The way I see it, I looked behind me, and I saw that nothing was there.joeboonda said:
And I am here to proclaim the good news that we are not doomed after all, and nor are we saved. We all shall suffer the same fate in the end. And better news yet, no one had to be executed for this to be true! God has made this the de facto system from the begining, for he made no mistakes in his Creation. No apple had to be eaten and nobody's son had to be murdered for this wonderful system. That is the glory of god!joeboonda said:
And here we go again with the fear, the threat, and the greusome image of a man being tortured to death. This is blasphemy against our kind Creator!joeboonda said:
Very well. Keep in mind, also, that I do not intend to offend with my replies. I, too, speak of what I believe is the truth.joeboonda said:
joeboonda
Well-Known Member
Very well then, hope you are right, cuz if u r wrong, I shudder to think. Oh, I didn't say it, the BIble said it, either way I got nothing to lose. Remember, to be good, God must be just, and the Bible says the wicked go to a bad fate. But, anyway, i warned you. PEACE!
Fascist Christ
Active Member
How about a life of servitude?joeboonda said:
joeboonda
Well-Known Member
Nope, we are at complete liberty in Christ, all things are lawful for me, not all things are profitable. If I serve the Lord, it is only out of my gratitude toward him for his free gift to me an undeserving sinner. I do not serve to keep saved, or get saved, I serve cuz I am saved, its a natural outworking of God who dwells in me. I would never serve cuz I HAVE to, only cause I want to, because he loved me enough to save me, I just want to introduce people to him.
And as for sin, its like a man who is invited to a restaurant to eat anything he wants, but instead goes back out to the garbage bin. Sin in my life has caused nothing but pain, that is way more pain than the small amount of pleasure it first produced. So I'm very happy being a Christian, I'm happy, free, and have great hope for now and for the hereafter. PEACE!
Fascist Christ
Active Member
Yet, it is still servitude.joeboonda said:
Are you comparing my moral code to garbage? And yours is somehow some fine cuisine? That sounds rather arrogant, that you could be so sure of youself without considering the alternatives. It is not just "garbage or cuisine." There are very practical meals out there too, with neither the expense of eating out, nor the mess or health hazards of eating trash. Somehow, it just tastes better when you make it yourself.joeboonda said:
MagickIsFun
Member
sorry guys, thought it was in general.
KirbyFan101
Resident Ball of Fluff
Using Hell theory as a tactic to rope in the gullible and the insecure is disgusting.
Instead of spending your days telling us non-Christians that we are going to burn, why don't you do something that actually contributes to society?
Instead of spending your days telling us non-Christians that we are going to burn, why don't you do something that actually contributes to society?
Fascist Christ
Active Member
What? Can't think of anything?AV1611 said:
From what I understand, if you don't believe that this dead man is your lord master and savior, then you will go to hell - but that's your choice. It's the freedom to choose servitude or exile. In other words, you're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't.
A just god would allow disbelief without repercussions. There is no logic to punishing someone for something that harms no one, and further excersizes their god-given free will and Reason. Such a thing should be encouraged, even if it results in Atheism. It's not like god could be insulted by such a thing.
Not so. A just God would dole out the same punishment for the same crime. What makes you think you're any better than Lucifer was?Fascist Christ said:
Lucifer, God's greatest and most beautiful, angel didn't get away with it, and you're not gonna get away with it, either.
The only thing is, He made an escape Route for us. Have you taken It?
As far as my Christian beliefs are concerned, God would not punish you for not believing in him; there are different doctrines- what AV1611 believes, is right for him; what I believe is right for me. If you choose not to believe in God, and you behave as a moral person, I can't see God turning you away - unless you choose not to accept his Love, when you come to meet him.Fascist Christ said: