Aqualung
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This is a continuation of a debate JerryL and I got into in the "scriptures to condemn homosexuality" thread. I have never tried to move portions of a thread into another thread, so excuse the sloppiness and the fact that I repeat everybody's quotes about a million times. Also remember that I am the christian and that JerryL is the athiest(?), in case I got the quotes mixed up.
JerryL said:God answers questions posed in prayer? Tell me what I'm wearing right now and I'll convert to your religion.Aqualung said:Of course that's true. Which is why I never mentioned it, until you did first, and then I only mentioned it to say that I didn't think it was so far-fetched to believe that God would/had answer/ed my prayers about it. I wasn't trying to use it as proof.
Aqualung said:He only answers questions if I ask them in keeping with his will. I don't think it's his will to answer that question. It would either give you a really easy conversion and nobody else would get that same treatment (and I think it's up to faith to convert, too, not some silly "miracle" like the one you propose), or, which I think is more likely, you would tell me it was a lucky guess and distregard it. So I don't think it's in his will to answer that question, but I think it's always in his will to answer questions about doctrine.
Aqualung said:I don't beleive God's will is to try to convert you through some petty "miracle" gotten through a temptation to "prove" to some non-beleiver that God can tell me what you are wearing. There are tons and tons of other things you can look at which would be all the more convincing, but you don't see the divinity in that, how could I or God expect you to see the miracle of telling you what you were wearing. YOu would explain that away like you everything else.JerryL said:Let me see if I follow
1. You don't believe God's will is to convert me.
God only tells me things if he wills it, but the act of asking is totally relevant. It's like if you ask your dad to buy you a candy bar at the store. Of course he wants to buy you it, and he knows you like candy, but you had to ask, first.JerryL said:2. You think God only tells you the things in his will (making the act of asking irrellevent). How do you know it's not God's will that you perform a miricle?
Nowhere did I say that miracles cannot convert people. I'm just saying that with all the other stuff you probably witnessed but didn't understand that you won't be converted by just telling you what you were wearing. You would explain that away, because it is one of the most easily explained "miracles" anyone could performJerryL said:3. Miracles cannot convert people (makes me wonder why Jesus went around performing so many).