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Why are women created twice?

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
And you know the way it is...by what means?
Basic textual criticism.
And Chapter Two does not describe a science experiment?
Yes it does.
No, it doesn't. It theologically explores our beginnings.
And Genesis makes note of this?
Implicitly, yes.
In spite of your nay saying.....my version takes away the nay saying.
No, it simply attempts to shove it in a closet and pretend that it doesn't exist.
You can have your belief in evolution and your Genesis....Chapter One
You can have your science and your Genesis....Chapter Two.
Genesis has nothing to do with either evolution or science.
And again...as you pick any version of God's first interaction with Man....
someone had to be first.
I call him Adam.
So... you call the first person to apprehend God "Human?"
Do you think that person would have been Cro Magnon or Neanderthal? Homo Erectus, or Homo Sapiens?
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Basic textual criticism.

No, it doesn't. It theologically explores our beginnings.

Implicitly, yes.

No, it simply attempts to shove it in a closet and pretend that it doesn't exist.

Genesis has nothing to do with either evolution or science.

So... you call the first person to apprehend God "Human?"
Do you think that person would have been Cro Magnon or Neanderthal? Homo Erectus, or Homo Sapiens?

Now you're being closed minded.
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Now you're being closed minded.
there's a difference between being "closed-minded" and being "realistic."
I don't pretend that chap. 1 and chap. 2 of Genesis are "the same story," or "build upon" each other, because textual criticism has eliminated that possibility.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
there's a difference between being "closed-minded" and being "realistic."
I don't pretend that chap. 1 and chap. 2 of Genesis are "the same story," or "build upon" each other, because textual criticism has eliminated that possibility.

Agreed.
The events are separate.
Allow me to reiterate.
Chapter One...evolution.
Chapter Two...manipulation.
 

walmul

Member
Is woman created twice? :)

Gen 1:27 says:
And God proceeded to create man in his image, in God’s image he created him; male and female he created them.

In Gen 2:18 we see that Adam is on his own again. What happened to Adam's first wife? :)

Followed by, Gen 2:22, where God now makes woman out of a rib.

Chapter 1 verse 24; all animals were made; verse 26; now we (plural) will make man; all of them male and female they will be like us (plural) male and female! No specific place was mentioned only earth, a big place. Chapter 2 verse 7 man was made; then in verse 8 a garden after man! remember plants were made before man in chapter1 verse 11!:confused:the first discrepancy, then animals were made after man in chapter 2 verse 18 to 20; another discrepancy! Then the tree happened "chapter 2 verse 17 if you eat from that tree you will die the same day! Eve told the snake about it, he said no; you will only become clever, they ate and became clever we are here and talking about it; who lied the snake or God? The Messiah said in the book of John; you have been worshipping the Devil since the beginning, a liar and murderer, should we compare Genesis chapter 1 to chapter 2 verse 4 with Genesis chapter 2 verse 5 to 25 and using a logical mind we will find a very interesting story!

No need to worry, both man and woman were created only once as in the poem called "when on high" (strange that Genesis chapter 1 is so almost identical to it!), recited in Babylon on a yearly festival in honour of the gods, found on clay tablets dated plus minus 850 B.C .

Chapter 2 is the start of a religion based on the above but terribly misused.
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Chapter 1 verse 24; all animals were made; verse 26; now we (plural) will make man; all of them male and female they will be like us (plural) male and female! No specific place was mentioned only earth, a big place. Chapter 2 verse 7 man was made; then in verse 8 a garden after man! remember plants were made before man in chapter1 verse 11!:confused:the first discrepancy, then animals were made after man in chapter 2 verse 18 to 20; another discrepancy! Then the tree happened "chapter 2 verse 17 if you eat from that tree you will die the same day! Eve told the snake about it, he said no; you will only become clever, they ate and became clever we are here and talking about it; who lied the snake or God? The Messiah said in the book of John; you have been worshipping the Devil since the beginning, a liar and murderer, should we compare Genesis chapter 1 to chapter 2 verse 4 with Genesis chapter 2 verse 5 to 25 and using a logical mind we will find a very interesting story!

No need to worry, both man and woman were created only once as in the poem called "when on high" (strange that Genesis chapter 1 is so almost identical to it!), recited in Babylon on a yearly festival in honour of the gods, found on clay tablets dated plus minus 850 B.C .

Chapter 2 is the start of a religion based on the above but terribly misused.
Except that chap. 2 is actually earlier...
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
You can call Him anything you want to....
He is still credited with Chapter One and Chapter Two.
But in entirely different theological constructions.:rolleyes:

It makes a real difference how God is named, because the name is indicative of the theological thought involved in the identification through nomenclature. In other words, I can't call God "anything" and communicate a consistent theological understanding of God. The nomenclature has to be consistent with the theology. Two names: Two theological constructions.
Not the same, consistent story.
 
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thedope

Active Member
I see two separate creation stories. As a matter of perception I see many points of departure in the christian bible. I regard the first story as the true version of creative force. Man being created male and female, creative principle. The second version is a cultural take establishing patriarchal lineage and creating a new kind of subservient man called wo-man.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
But in entirely different theological constructions.:rolleyes:

It makes a real difference how God is named, because the name is indicative of the theological thought involved in the identification through nomenclature. In other words, I can't call God "anything" and communicate a consistent theological understanding of God. The nomenclature has to be consistent with the theology. Two names: Two theological constructions.
Not the same, consistent story.

One story.....one God.
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
One story.....one God.
Well, of course one God, as seen by the redactors. They took the ancient El tradition and the ancient YHWH tradition and glommed them together. But originally, they were two different perspectives, two different stories.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
That quote has derivations from the Islamic school of thought. There is a hadith regarding this.

The actual hadith (Sayings of the Prophet Muhammad SAWW pbuh)says:

"Accept my reminder, about treating women kindly, because women are made up out of a man's rib."

vol. VII Hadith No. 113.

The general meaning (by scholars) is that the rib is the protection of the heart. i.e. Woman represents the protection of man rather than the reverse, but for such protection to take place then man must protect woman in the first place. This is because if any harm reaches the rib (woman) then the heart is left unprotected.

The Prophet, upon him peace, said in that very same hadith: "Therefore, treat women kindly".

Whoever the person was, he displayed wisdom. It makes for a good commentary on the Biblical account but is there an account in the Qu'ran also?
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Well, of course one God, as seen by the redactors. They took the ancient El tradition and the ancient YHWH tradition and glommed them together. But originally, they were two different perspectives, two different stories.

Are you eluding to Chapter One not leading to Chapter Two?
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Absolutely! One can't lead to Two, because chapter Two is the earlier of the two stories.

Well...in all fairness....
There is a contemporary rewrite going about.

It strips the name of Moses and the title Genesis from the book.
I think it's trash.

It begins Chapter Two declaring Two as a rewrite ...a retelling... of Chapter One.
I think it was composed by someone desiring to cling to the mystical magical ....'poof'.... in the blink of an eye..... creation of Man.
No evolution...perfection at hand.
Totally unrealistic.

How about you?
You already know my stance.
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Well...in all fairness....
There is a contemporary rewrite going about.

It strips the name of Moses and the title Genesis from the book.
I think it's trash.

It begins Chapter Two declaring Two as a rewrite ...a retelling... of Chapter One.
I think it was composed by someone desiring to cling to the mystical magical ....'poof'.... in the blink of an eye..... creation of Man.
No evolution...perfection at hand.
Totally unrealistic.

How about you?
You already know my stance.
Well, we know that Moses didn't write Genesis. Genesis has at least four authors, from four different traditions. That part's OK. However, at that point it departs reality. chapter two isn't a "rewrite" of chapter one. How can it be, if chapter two is older than chapter one???

Regardless of how creation is treated theologically in either story, we know that theology is not science. the Bible is not a science text. It's a theological text. To try to reconcile the two is a futile exercise.
 

Poisonshady313

Well-Known Member
I have always understood the account of Genesis 1 to be a general overview of all creation. Then, in chapter 2, the writer goes back to describe in greater detail the manner in which man and woman were made. So, it's not that they were created twice, but that the first account is a general overview of the order in which God created everything, including man. The second account is a more detailed description of the way they were created, if that makes sense.

That's absolutely right. Well said.
 
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