What happens when you die?

Rudytown said:

I want to know what happens when you die? Just stop existing? Heaven? Hell? Turn in to a tree, elephant, tuba etc.?

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Hi Rudytown.

Here is the Bible's answer: “The living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all ... Also, their love and their hate and their jealousy have already perished.” (Ecclesiastes 9:5, 6)
"Whatever comes to your hand to do with all your power, do it because there is no work, or thought, or knowledge, or wisdom in the place of the dead to which you are going.”—Ecclesiastes 9:10, The Bible in Basic English.
"Man is not higher than the beasts . . . All go to one place, all are of the dust, and all will be turned to dust again.”—Ecclesiastes 3:19, 20, The Bible in Basic English
"Do not put your trust in nobles,Nor in the son of earthling man, to whom no salvation belongs. His spirit goes out, he goes back to his ground;In that day his thoughts do perish." Psalm 146:3,4

This does not mean there is no hope for the dead. The Bible promises "there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous" Acts 24:15.
By the way, if the dead were alive somewhere else, there would be no need for a resurrection. Man does not have an immortal soul or spirit. (Ezekiek 18:4)

Midnight Pete said:

And this is exactly what I'm talking about.

There's science and then there's the religion of Scientism.

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You were talking about something?

This whole thread you have not given no more that a one sentence response with no evidence or argument as to what you believe.

still waiting

Since there is no evidence of a Soul or Spirit, the likely answer is our "self", that is, our conscience being ceases to operate and our bodies are broken down through decomposition.

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Some people have come back from death and told about what they saw on the other side. Some people have seen heaven and/or hell during NDE/OBE's.

ninerbuff said:

Not proof that either exists. People dream and it seems real.

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It has been documented that soldiers who were either dead for a short time or were in the process of dying, recalled vividly what was transpiring back at the battle site. There was no way for them to have known what had happened back there after they 'went down' and were being evacuated out....but they knew. According to the military personnel reviewing these men, they claimed to be 'hovering' over the area and felt totally weightless. They claimed to have seen certain personel get killed that they had no way of seeing or knowing about. These things have been confirmed. Also, I think it was on the Discovery Channel (not sure), there was a segment on a Cardiologist who had come to the point that he felt he had to test many of his patients claims of having witnessed the operation from above the operating table. That they were 'floating' above it and witnessed everything that transpired throughout the ordeal. What he did was place some Face cards from a deck of cards, on top of a tall cabinet which was located in the Operating Room. Afterwards, he had asked a patient/s who had complications during the operation, if they remembered anything about it. It was revealed to him again that the 'floating above' experience was there, and they witnessed the work being done upon their body, and that there were Face cards on top of the tall cabinet in the Operating Room.

tigrers99 said:

It has been documented that soldiers who were either dead for a short time or were in the process of dying, recalled vividly what was transpiring back at the battle site. There was no way for them to have known what had happened back there after they 'went down' and were being evacuated out....but they knew. According to the military personnel reviewing these men, they claimed to be 'hovering' over the area and felt totally weightless. They claimed to have seen certain personel get killed that they had no way of seeing or knowing about. These things have been confirmed. Also, I think it was on the Discovery Channel (not sure), there was a segment on a Cardiologist who had come to the point that he felt he had to test many of his patients claims of having witnessed the operation from above the operating table. That they were 'floating' above it and witnessed everything that transpired throughout the ordeal. What he did was place some Face cards from a deck of cards, on top of a tall cabinet which was located in the Operating Room. Afterwards, he had asked a patient/s who had complications during the operation, if they remembered anything about it. It was revealed to him again that the 'floating above' experience was there, and they witnessed the work being done upon their body, and that there were Face cards on top of the tall cabinet in the Operating Room.

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Perhaps you would be so kind as to cite your source?

Mestemia said:

Perhaps you would be so kind as to cite your source?

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i know it's kinda tacky to jump on someone like this. but i dont think it's okay at all that this would be the last post on a thread before it fades into the neglected parts of people's memory

why is this the scariest question some people could ever be asked?

yourhopeboundheart said:

i know it's kinda tacky to jump on someone like this. but i dont think it's okay at all that this would be the last post on a thread before it fades into the neglected parts of people's memory

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I do not think it is tacky at all.
But then, I am kinda a blunt to the point type...

yourhopeboundheart said:

why is this the scariest question some people could ever be asked?

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It could be several things.
It could be that it is something he heard that fits right into what he already believes and so he adopted it without questioning the source himself and now that the source has been asked for he realizes that he has no idea what the source is.

It could be that this particular thread has fallen to the wayside for that particular person and he is unawares that that was the last post.

It could be that he has not been back on since before he was asked for a source.

It could be that he is still looking for the source to present it.


The list goes on....

Mestemia said:

It could be that this particular thread has fallen to the wayside for that particular person and he is unawares that that was the last post.

It could be that he has not been back on since before he was asked for a source.

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i hope so, but you know where hope gets us.

tigrers99 said:

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Originally Posted by Midnight Pete
Some people have come back from death and told about what they saw on the other side. Some people have seen heaven and/or hell during NDE/OBE's.





It has been documented that soldiers who were either dead for a short time or were in the process of dying, recalled vividly what was transpiring back at the battle site. There was no way for them to have known what had happened back there after they 'went down' and were being evacuated out....but they knew. According to the military personnel reviewing these men, they claimed to be 'hovering' over the area and felt totally weightless. They claimed to have seen certain personel get killed that they had no way of seeing or knowing about. These things have been confirmed. Also, I think it was on the Discovery Channel (not sure), there was a segment on a Cardiologist who had come to the point that he felt he had to test many of his patients claims of having witnessed the operation from above the operating table. That they were 'floating' above it and witnessed everything that transpired throughout the ordeal. What he did was place some Face cards from a deck of cards, on top of a tall cabinet which was located in the Operating Room. Afterwards, he had asked a patient/s who had complications during the operation, if they remembered anything about it. It was revealed to him again that the 'floating above' experience was there, and they witnessed the work being done upon their body, and that there were Face cards on top of the tall cabinet in the Operating Room.

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Yes that is the soul. It exists without this body. There have been many documentaries on stories like these yet some of the crazy atheists still want to say that every single one of them are all lying or that it was some kind of mental confusion. Some of them simply cannot accept the fact that its possible that their consciousness really did leave their body and that there is life after death. All the ghost sightings, supernatural phonemona, and these personal testimonies all point to life after death. Not to mention every Saint out there that says we are an immortal soul, backs these things. I'd say that is enough evidence for me.

If you do more good deeds then bad, and correct every mistake you make, and not be attached to garbage and do more 'good' then bad. You have nothing to worry about. I don't know where 'we' go, but all i know is for myself I will try to prepare it to be a good place. Rather it be a grave or another galaxy.

savethedreams said:

If you do more good deeds then bad, and correct every mistake you make, and not be attached to garbage and do more 'good' then bad. You have nothing to worry about. I don't know where 'we' go, but all i know is for myself I will try to prepare it to be a good place. Rather it be a grave or another galaxy.

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Actually, you do not know this. You wish it to be so, but the universe is indifferent to our behavior. Our personal conduct only has consequences for us alone. We make our own destiny.

This Universe, of which we are a part of, is composed of energy/matter...that which neither lives, nor dies, it merely exists and changes form. "Life" and "death" are indeed great mysteries of man...I believe in neither.

Copernicus said:

Actually, you do not know this. You wish it to be so, but the universe is indifferent to our behavior. Our personal conduct only has consequences for us alone. We make our own destiny.

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How do u 'KNOW' the universe is indifferent to our behavior? I'm a strong beliver in the concept of Karma/golden rule/reap what u sow/3 fold law (if i got that right lol) , do good good comes , do bad bad comes...but there really is not ACTUAL concept of good nor bad.

and we make our own destiny by what we do.

Rudytown said:

I want to know what happens when you die? Just stop existing? Heaven? Hell? Turn in to a tree, elephant, tuba etc.?

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As we are attached to the false attachments of this world like family, home, wealth or ego even body itself too, So when the soul leaves the body, The Urine & Poti comes out as one feels very much afarid that time.
The soul never wants to leave the body, as body is attached with the world.

As few years back i felt very much sick,
So m writing with my personal experience.

savethedreams said:

How do u 'KNOW' the universe is indifferent to our behavior?

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It is obvious that we live in a world where bad things can happen to good people and good things to bad people. Belief in disembodied minds and an afterlife of some sort (reincarnation or heaven/hell concepts) is a prerequisite to the belief that somehow the balance gets redressed in favor of good behavior. I see no convincing evidence or sensible argument that supports belief in either disembodied minds or an afterlife, so I conclude that the universe is indifferent to our behavior.

I'm a strong beliver in the concept of Karma/golden rule/reap what u sow/3 fold law (if i got that right lol) , do good good comes , do bad bad comes...but there really is not ACTUAL concept of good nor bad.

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If there are no such "actual" concepts, then you appear to be a strong believer in nothing of consequence. There are people in this world who believe strongly in all sorts of false propositions, so I cannot take your declaration of belief as credible evidence of what is true. I need an argument to back up the claim.

and we make our own destiny by what we do.

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On this we agree. I think that terms like "good" and "bad" only make sense in the context of what is beneficial or detrimental to human beings. The universe is indifferent to us, but we are not indifferent to ourselves or the universe.

How can you be certain the universe is indifferent to us?

Midnight Pete said:

I think there's more to this than just DMT. Wouldn't it be crazy if hell weas real and you were headed there?

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Sure would since it is a make believe place.

JustWondering said:

Sure would since it is a make believe place.

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That's too resolute a statement for agnostic to make.

yourhopeboundheart said:

dimethyltryptamine.

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:drool:

Midnight Pete said:

That's too resolute a statement for agnostic to make.

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If there is an afterlife nobody living would know anything about it. Therefore Hell is a make believe place. Unless you know where it is? Is it on a map?