As a religious person, do you support the death penalty?

dawny0826 · Oct 3, 2010

ninerbuff said:
But what if your god asks you about that justifiability on judgement day?

What if He does?

My God endorsed an "eye for an eye", "tooth for a tooth" type of justice system. As loving as my Father is, He's not tolerant of murder.

We're given free will to act upon our convictions. I'm convicted to believe that the death penalty is justifiable for certain crimes.

Reverend Rick · Oct 3, 2010

ninerbuff said:
But what if your god asks you about that justifiability on judgement day?

What? That I jumped for joy when they inject poison into a person who beats, robs, and rapes an 11 year old girl in front of their father?

Oh, I forgot. They killed her and her Mom and sister too.

God can judge me. I'm not too worried.

ninerbuff · Oct 3, 2010

dawny0826 said:
What if He does?

My God endorsed an "eye for an eye", "tooth for a tooth" type of justice system. As loving as my Father is, He's not tolerant of murder.

We're given free will to act upon our convictions. I'm convicted to believe that the death penalty is justifiable for certain crimes.

So you think abortion doctors should justifiably put on the death penalty list?

Midnight Pete · Oct 3, 2010

ChristineES said:
I am not sure I would answer this question: Is this a type of question where if I were to say I was against the death penalty, you would say "eye for an eye" and if I were to say I were for the death penalty you would say "thou shalt not murder".
In other words, I think it might be a set-up.

It *is* a setup, Christine. This is just what the pharisees used to do with Jesus.

Reverend Rick · Oct 3, 2010

ninerbuff said:
So you think abortion doctors should justifiably put on the death penalty list?

That is a good question. It is not against the law, so the answer is no.

The thing is, if someone shot her in the stomach on the way to the abortion clinic and the baby died, it would be considered murder under current law.

Interesting huh?

painted wolf · Oct 3, 2010

No... we have the ability to lock up the worst for life.

If you ask me that is far worse punishment.

wa:do

Midnight Pete · Oct 3, 2010

Reverend Rick said:
That is a good question. It is not against the law, so the answer is no.

The thing is, if someone shot her in the stomach on the way to the abortion clinic and the baby died, it would be considered murder under current law.

Interesting huh?

Very interesting, yes. It can be a baby or a cluster of cells depending on what the mother wants it to be and when. Aborting a cluster of cells is just another bodily function, but killing an unborn child is murder. :shrug:

ninerbuff · Oct 3, 2010

Midnight Pete said:
It *is* a setup, Christine. This is just what the pharisees used to do with Jesus.

It's about consistency. To say one thing and do another is hypocritcal. So the question I posed to christians is to see for themselves how consistent they are in actual belief of what their god wants or if doing what they think is right is more of the way they lean.

McBell · Oct 3, 2010

ninerbuff said:
It's about consistency. To say one thing and do another is hypocritcal. So the question I posed to christians is to see for themselves how consistent they are in actual belief of what their god wants or if doing what they think is right is more of the way they lean.

Wait, so you are saying that YOU know what their god wants?

As far as the death penalty goes, I would have to say that based upon the Bible that God is all for the death penalty.
Yet here you are seemingly claiming that god is against the death penalty....
Interesting.

Reverend Rick · Oct 3, 2010

ninerbuff said:
It's about consistency. To say one thing and do another is hypocritcal. So the question I posed to christians is to see for themselves how consistent they are in actual belief of what their god wants or if doing what they think is right is more of the way they lean.

We can clear this up right now. I'm a hypocrite. So now that we got this out of the way, perhaps you can explain your position on abortion and capital punishment?

ninerbuff · Oct 3, 2010

Mestemia said:
Wait, so you are saying that YOU know what their god wants?

As far as the death penalty goes, I would have to say that based upon the Bible that God is all for the death penalty.
Yet here you are seemingly claiming that god is against the death penalty....
Interesting.

christianity, which was made up after jesus death, is based on both the old and new testament but christians are supposed to follow jesus teachings (which were bestowed upon him by god) and jesus undoubtly mentions the "loving of thy neighbor" pretty much unconditionally.

'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you. (Matthew 5:43)

Old testament had many times god killing babies, eye for an eye, etc.

.lava · Oct 3, 2010

ninerbuff said:
That's a translation you understand. I'm with ya, but I ain't religious. If you are, then you should be following what your god has asked you to do.

well, i am religious and i am commanded to love. but loving people and other creatures is not supposed to leave me weak and stupid. that's not result of love. i am unsure what you understand from commands of God. but none of us could love everyone in the same way. we love some people more, naturally. so i would never love my neighbour as much as i love my close friend and i would always keep those whom i love more closer. if i would not feel love and respect for someone then i would keep him away from myself even if he was my neighbour. that's what all of us do in our lives. we all keep people we love and respect more closer to ourselves

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ninerbuff · Oct 3, 2010

Reverend Rick said:
We can clear this up right now. I'm a hypocrite. So now that we got this out of the way, perhaps you can explain your position on abortion and capital punishment?

I did already. I'm for both.

McBell · Oct 3, 2010

ninerbuff said:
christianity, which was made up after jesus death, is based on both the old and new testament but christians are supposed to follow jesus teachings (which were bestowed upon him by god) and jesus undoubtly mentions the "loving of thy neighbor" pretty much unconditionally.

'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you. (Matthew 5:43)

Old testament had many times god killing babies, eye for an eye, etc.

So where does it say in the NT that they are NOT ALLOWED to kill?
You merely point out the love thy neighbor verse.

Are you seriously trying to stretch the love thy neighbor verse to include capital punishment?
Are you serious?
Especially in light of all the commands GOD gives to use capital punishment?

You seem to have forgotten to address my question:

so you are saying that YOU know what their god wants?

Cause if your whole argument that their god forbids capital punishment is based on the single love thy neighbor verse.....

Some food for thought:

Death was the punishment of striking or even reviling a parent (Exodus 21:15; Exodus 21:17);
blasphemy (Leviticus 24:14; Leviticus 24:16; Leviticus 24:23);
Sabbath-breaking (Numbers 15:32-36);
witchcraft (Exodus 22:18);
adultery (Leviticus 20:10);
rape (Deuteronomy 22:25);
incestuous and unnatural connection (Leviticus 20:11; Leviticus 20:14; Leviticus 20:16);
man stealing (Exodus 21:16),
and idolatry (Leviticus 20:2).

There are several different methods used in the Bible to execute the capital punishment:

burning (Genesis 38:24; Leviticus 20:14; Daniel 3:6),
hanging (Numbers 25:4; Deuteronomy 21:22; Deuteronomy 21:23; Joshua 8:29; 2 Samuel 21:12; Esther 7:9; Esther 7:10),
crucifying (Matthew 20:19; Matthew 27:35),
beheading (Genesis 40:19; Mark 6:16; Mark 6:27), slaying with the sword (1 Samuel 15:33; Acts 12:2),
stoning (Leviticus 24:14; Deuteronomy 13:10; Acts 7:59),
cutting in pieces (Daniel 2:5; Matthew 24:51),
sawing asunder (Hebrews 11:37),
exposing to wild beasts (Daniel 6:16; Daniel 6:24; 1 Corinthians 15:32),
bruising in mortars (Proverbs 27:22),
casting headlong from a rock (2 Chronicles 25:12),
and even casting into the sea (Matthew 18:6).

Seems to me that it is plain to see that god has no problems with capital punishment.
Perhaps you might want to either present your WHOLE argument or step back and rethink this whole god forbids capital punishment kick you are on.

Kathryn · Oct 4, 2010

ninerbuff said:
It's about consistency. To say one thing and do another is hypocritcal. So the question I posed to christians is to see for themselves how consistent they are in actual belief of what their god wants or if doing what they think is right is more of the way they lean.

As a Christian, I AM consistent. I am opposed to abortion AND the death penalty, unless either is absolutely necessary to protect the life of another.

Reverend Rick · Oct 4, 2010

Kathryn said:
As a Christian, I AM consistent. I am opposed to abortion AND the death penalty, unless either is absolutely necessary to protect the life of another.

I can understand and respect that. I think we all use the word hypocrisy a little loosely here on RF. Inconsistent would be a more appropriate word.

True hypocrisy would be to have an abortion and then tell others not to.

The biggest issue I have with this thread is, people want a separation of church and state. If my religion was against same sex marriage, but I supported a bill to give same sex couples the right to marry, everyone would be happy.

If I support capital punishment that may or may not follow the tennants of my religion, folks cry hypocrisy.

Terrywoodenpic · Oct 4, 2010

I oppose the death penalty in all circumstances.
There can be no dividing line.

Perpetual servitude might be a better punishment, for more serious cases the regime might be more severe.

This is not a religious issue for me but a moral one.

ninerbuff · Oct 4, 2010

Mestemia said:
So where does it say in the NT that they are NOT ALLOWED to kill?
You merely point out the love thy neighbor verse.

Are you seriously trying to stretch the love thy neighbor verse to include capital punishment?
Are you serious?
Especially in light of all the commands GOD gives to use capital punishment?

You seem to have forgotten to address my question:
so you are saying that YOU know what their god wants?

Cause if your whole argument that their god forbids capital punishment is based on the single love thy neighbor verse.....

Some food for thought:
Death was the punishment of striking or even reviling a parent (Exodus 21:15; Exodus 21:17);
blasphemy (Leviticus 24:14; Leviticus 24:16; Leviticus 24:23);
Sabbath-breaking (Numbers 15:32-36);
witchcraft (Exodus 22:18);
adultery (Leviticus 20:10);
rape (Deuteronomy 22:25);
incestuous and unnatural connection (Leviticus 20:11; Leviticus 20:14; Leviticus 20:16);
man stealing (Exodus 21:16),
and idolatry (Leviticus 20:2).

There are several different methods used in the Bible to execute the capital punishment:

burning (Genesis 38:24; Leviticus 20:14; Daniel 3:6),
hanging (Numbers 25:4; Deuteronomy 21:22; Deuteronomy 21:23; Joshua 8:29; 2 Samuel 21:12; Esther 7:9; Esther 7:10),
crucifying (Matthew 20:19; Matthew 27:35),
beheading (Genesis 40:19; Mark 6:16; Mark 6:27), slaying with the sword (1 Samuel 15:33; Acts 12:2),
stoning (Leviticus 24:14; Deuteronomy 13:10; Acts 7:59),
cutting in pieces (Daniel 2:5; Matthew 24:51),
sawing asunder (Hebrews 11:37),
exposing to wild beasts (Daniel 6:16; Daniel 6:24; 1 Corinthians 15:32),
bruising in mortars (Proverbs 27:22),
casting headlong from a rock (2 Chronicles 25:12),
and even casting into the sea (Matthew 18:6).

Seems to me that it is plain to see that god has no problems with capital punishment.
Perhaps you might want to either present your WHOLE argument or step back and rethink this whole god forbids capital punishment kick you are on.

If a christian just based their belief on the old testament, they wouldn't be christian they would be jewish. Practically all the capital punishment verses you post are from the OT. With NT capital punishment verses much much less with a couple directed towards jesus own crucifiction. The direction that jesus take is that of peace and love.

TEXASBULL · Oct 4, 2010

Great, the most hideous of our society gets the best treatment.

For all you anit- death penalty folks. Imaging your kids and family getting chopped up by an ax welding murder. Then he urinates on there dead corpses while laughing in your face.

I got an Idea! Lets feed him 3 times a day , give him a bed, pillow, shower, and let him live a long full life until he is in his 80's. All on our dime.

Criminals get to survive/ Victims always get the short end of the stick.

You talk big, but that is because it has not happened to you.

McBell · Oct 4, 2010

ninerbuff said:
If a christian just based their belief on the old testament, they wouldn't be christian they would be jewish. Practically all the capital punishment verses you post are from the OT. With NT capital punishment verses much much less with a couple directed towards jesus own crucifiction. The direction that jesus take is that of peace and love.

Yet you would presume to claim that the Christian god is against the death penalty and even go so far as to say that Christians must ALSO be against the death penalty and the ONLY thing you have to support that claim is the 'love thy neighbor' verse?
That is an awful big stretch, don't you think?

As a religious person, do you support the death penalty?

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