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What happens to us when we die?
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That story is very unbiblical although i know that dosnt mean much to alot of people here.Ceridwen018 said:
Jesus is the Judge..
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ.... 2 Corinthians 5:10
"When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left....
"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. Matthew 25:31-33, 41
The idea that he cant judge us because if he did we would all end up in heaven because he is all loving etc ignores the idea of God being Just, Holy and Righteous."When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left....
"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. Matthew 25:31-33, 41
Its like saying God wont see to it that a Murderer gets justice because his love would get in the way, or a rapist brought befor the judgement seat would be allowed into heaven because God's love for him derails his justice. the idea makes our sin look less serious then it really is. If a judge in a courtroom on earth let a friend of without seeing to it that justice was served their would be an outcry.
While God is loving and compassionate and wants us to enter heaven he is also a Just Holy God who is described as a consuming fire.
for our "God is a consuming fire." Hebrews 12:29
Come now, let us reason together," says the LORD .
"Though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow;
though they are red as crimson, they shall be like wool. Isaiah 1:18
Its our choice as to weather we accept the gift God has offered us, the atonement Jesus made for us when he was beaten and crucified - when he paid for our sins. So that we can stand befor a Holy Just God with our sins already paid for and enter heaven thanks to his Grace and Love. Come now, let us reason together," says the LORD .
"Though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow;
though they are red as crimson, they shall be like wool. Isaiah 1:18
Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. 1 Corinthians 6:9-11
Surely he took up our infirmities and carried our sorrows, yet we considered him stricken by God, smitten by him, and afflicted. But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed. We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all. Isaiah 53:4-6
As for people who havnt heard the gospel, i dont presume to know - however God will judge fairly and justly.
"That servant who knows his master's will and does not get ready or does not do what his master wants will be beaten with many blows. But the one who does not know and does things deserving punishment will be beaten with few blows. From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked. Luke 12:47-48
Hi glasgowchick,glasgowchick said:
You're right, that's what the scripture says. But what's noteworthy is distinguishing the difference between the soul - the individual self, including our thoughts, personality, and physical body - and the spirit which is the life force. The spirit is the energy that animates our cells and allows us to live. Kind of like the electricity that animates our computers. The electricity itself has no personality. It can't convert into the electronics that it animates, it just powers them. Without anything to animate then, it becomes inactive. The same with the human spirit. It's the life force that animates our bodies. Once however the person dies, the life force or spirit is no longer needed and 'it returns to God' in the sense that the resurrection or reanimation of that individual rests solely with Him. The spirit does not go on living in another place, however. Remember, Ecc. 9:5 says "but as for the dead they are conscious of nothing at all...".
This is a quickie response. I'll be happy to provide scriptures to back me up if you're interested.
glasgowchick
Gives Glory to God !!!
jorylore said:Hi glasgowchick,
You're right, that's what the scripture says. But what's noteworthy is distinguishing the difference between the soul - the individual self, including our thoughts, personality, and physical body - and the spirit which is the life force. The spirit is the energy that animates our cells and allows us to live. Kind of like the electricity that animates our computers. The electricity itself has no personality. It can't convert into the electronics that it animates, it just powers them. Without anything to animate then, it becomes inactive. The same with the human spirit. It's the life force that animates our bodies. Once however the person dies, the life force or spirit is no longer needed and 'it returns to God' in the sense that the resurrection or reanimation of that individual rests solely with Him. The spirit does not go on living in another place, however. Remember, Ecc. 9:5 says "but as for the dead they are conscious of nothing at all...".
This is a quickie response. I'll be happy to provide scriptures to back me up if you're interested.
Hi Jorylore, thankyou for your input,I think I'm getting what your meaning by the Spirit, if not please correct me if i'm wrong, Are you meaning that our Spirit is the driving force that allows us to think and reason etc as in our inner being but when we die, the body dies our fleshly bodies go to the grave? so what is it exactly that goes back to God if its not another part of us ? I know what your saying about ecc 9:5 saying that the dead are consous of nothing but again I believe that is refering to our earthly bodies. ok heres why I believe that our Spirit is more than a life force or breath,1Cor 2:11 it states " for who among men know the things of man except for the Spirit of man which is in him ? Also I believe that the New Testament writers believed that man had a dual nature, They refere to the body as the " outer man" and the soul /spirit as the inner man in such places as Romans 7:22 and Eph 3:16 The contrast is so clearly imbeded in the mind of the Apostle Paul that he described the " outer man" as decaying while the "inner man" was being renewed day by day [ 2Cor 4:16 ] The Apostle Paul spoke of the body as a tabernacle or a house made of clay in which mans transending soul dewells. In 2Cor 12:2-4 He could describe a person as compleatly conscious while out of the body as well as when a person was in the body. The man in the passage did not cease to exist while out of his body. The mans trancsendent soul or spirit could leave his body and accend to the third heaven and be conscious in the presence of God. In 2nd Cor 5:14 the body is an "earthly Tent" in which we dewell, In Phil1:22-24 Paul was torn between two desires, one, he long to go to be with the Lord or stay here on earth. So for me I would say a definate yes that there is life after death...
Thank you glasgowchick for your informative response. You're right, the "spirit" is not just the life force or breath. I did some research and found that there are many different ways the Bible uses the term spirit. 1) wind 2)holy spirit (Jo 14: 16, 17) 3) the force that generates from the heart of a person and that motivates their thoughts and actions. (Ezk 35:21; 1 Ki 21:5) 4) life force 5) spirit creatures (angels, God, etc.) (Jo 4:24; Ps 104:4). The Hebrew word for spirit is ru'ach and the Greek wd is pneu'ma. Both come from root words that mean "breath or blow."glasgowchick said:Hi Jorylore, thankyou for your input,I think I'm getting what your meaning by the Spirit, if not please correct me if i'm wrong, Are you meaning that our Spirit is the driving force that allows us to think and reason etc as in our inner being but when we die, the body dies our fleshly bodies go to the grave? so what is it exactly that goes back to God if its not another part of us ? I know what your saying about ecc 9:5 saying that the dead are consous of nothing but again I believe that is refering to our earthly bodies. ok heres why I believe that our Spirit is more than a life force or breath,1Cor 2:11 it states " for who among men know the things of man except for the Spirit of man which is in him ? Also I believe that the New Testament writers believed that man had a dual nature, They refere to the body as the " outer man" and the soul /spirit as the inner man in such places as Romans 7:22 and Eph 3:16 The contrast is so clearly imbeded in the mind of the Apostle Paul that he described the " outer man" as decaying while the "inner man" was being renewed day by day [ 2Cor 4:16 ] The Apostle Paul spoke of the body as a tabernacle or a house made of clay in which mans transending soul dewells. In 2Cor 12:2-4 He could describe a person as compleatly conscious while out of the body as well as when a person was in the body. The man in the passage did not cease to exist while out of his body. The mans trancsendent soul or spirit could leave his body and accend to the third heaven and be conscious in the presence of God. In 2nd Cor 5:14 the body is an "earthly Tent" in which we dewell, In Phil1:22-24 Paul was torn between two desires, one, he long to go to be with the Lord or stay here on earth. So for me I would say a definate yes that there is life after death...
When you refer to life after death, right again. But only by means of the resurrection as my earlier entry stated. Some will be resurrected to life on a cleansed earth, others to heaven. Paul wrote to Christians of the first centruy who would enjoy a heavenly resurrection. These ones were anointed w/ the holy spirit, and it served as a "token" to them of the heavenly inheritance to which they would be called (2Co 1:21, 22). However, before that time came they would sleep in death or a state of nonexistence. Paul slept in death until the time came for his heavenly resurrection. Abraham, Job, Noah and the millions who die today sleep in death until the time comes for the earthly resurrection during the millenium. Their spirits are extinguished if only temporarily. Looking at it from that point of view, there is life after death. Your entry made it sound like the human spirit survives the death of the body and continues living for eternity in some other place. I don't totally agree. But for the faithful, their spirits or life forces will be returned to them so that they may live again, either in heaven with spiritual bodies or on earth with new fleshly bodies. It is their reward for keeping their integrity to God.
