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Inerrancy of the Bible and other Religious Texts

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
Fascist Christ said:
I don't see how that is something to be proud of. Due to our brains' negative bias, we tend to pay the most attention to the most negative things. That's why most of the news is negative. That's why politicians spend so much of their campaigns insulting their opponents. And that's (part of) why a religion that glorifies the murder (crucifixion) of an innocent man (Jesus the Nazarene) is so highly debated.
Exactly my point: Jesus get more negative publicity than all other persons in history combined.

As Paul put it in Philippians 1:18 ---

WHAT THEN? NOTWITHSTANDING, EVERY WAY, WHETHER IN PRETENSE, OR IN TRUTH, CHRIST IS PREACHED; AND I THEREIN DO REJOICE, YEA, AND WILL REJOICE.
 

cmotdibbler

Member
AV1611 said:
Oh, did I say that?

LOL

What I meant to say is that I play Chess as well as a blindfolded person. )(

And also, that I know 20 different pies ... not Pi. )(
It certainly looked like you were claiming to be able to play chess blindfolded in an earlier post and I remember it mentioned that Ken Ham does as well. Just checked and found out that Jonathan Sarfati plays chess blindfolded. I was wondering if "you" were "he". An amusing misunderstanding.

So how about those cattle and the shadows then?
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
cmotdibbler said:
It certainly looked like you were claiming to be able to play chess blindfolded in an earlier post and I remember it mentioned that Ken Ham does as well. Just checked and found out that Jonathan Sarfati plays chess blindfolded. I was wondering if "you" were "he". An amusing misunderstanding.

So how about those cattle and the shadows then?
I confess ... I did say that ... but I am neither Ken Hamm nor Jonathan Sarfati.

I have won a couple tournaments in my time, and I have been to a Ken Hamm seminar, though.
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
Mr_Spinkles said:
The Torah is not extra-biblical, AV1611.
I should have clarified. When I say Bible, I mean the 1611 King James Bible. I personally don't call anyting else a "bible", out of respect for the aforementioned.

And as for the Torah, no Jew would classsify it as a King James Bible, either.
 

jewscout

Religious Zionist
the Torah is the books of Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy all of which are found in the KJV (though i wouldn't trust the translation)

this would not make the Torah extra-biblical
 

Jayhawker Soule

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Premium Member
AV1611 said:
I should have clarified. When I say Bible, I mean the 1611 King James Bible. I personally don't call anyting else a "bible", out of respect for the aforementioned.
As you wish. Now, again, do you have any extra-biblical evidence that confirms the Biblical Exodus/Conquest narrative?
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
Deut. 32.8 said:
As you wish. Now, again, do you have any extra-biblical evidence that confirms the Biblical Exodus/Conquest narrative?
Not on me, no.
 

Fascist Christ

Active Member
AV1611 said:
Exactly my point: Jesus get more negative publicity than all other persons in history combined.

As Paul put it in Philippians 1:18 ---

WHAT THEN? NOTWITHSTANDING, EVERY WAY, WHETHER IN PRETENSE, OR IN TRUTH, CHRIST IS PREACHED; AND I THEREIN DO REJOICE, YEA, AND WILL REJOICE.
I am not talking about negative publicity, but publicity of the negative.

As Thomas Jefferson put it: "Blest is that nation whose silent course of happiness furnishes nothing for history to say."
 

Ryan2065

Well-Known Member
NetDoc said:
Ryan,

I went throught the first six references (I have to pick up my son) and your "errors" are anything BUT!

First, In Matthew he is refering to his own death on the cross. Go read what happened.

Secondly, do you EVER refer to the "rising and setting of the sun"??? If you do you must not know ANYTHING about astronomy dude. EVERYONE KNOWS that the sun stays put and the earth turns. So sue them for writing in the vernacular of the time.

Are all of your "errors" as lame as these? Just because you don't understand the context of what you read, does not make them errors.
So the first six "errors" of the bible are lame you say? So you are saying that for one the fact that there is no evidance of a bunch of slaves ever leaving the egyptains as lame? I'll give you the fact that most of these "lame" examples use logic, and as I've found not alot of people like logic. Lets put it this way. Lets say that EVERYONE in the world believes that the stars hang up in the sky a few miles above the earth. Then lets say that everyone thinks its very feasable for the stars to just fall out of the sky at the end of the world. Then you have a "messiah" coming saying that when the end of the world happens the stars will fall out of the sky. Do you really think, logically, that he is just using colerful language and that he doesn't believe the current times science?

AV1611 said:
Wow, Ryan; that's quite a list.

I'm reminded of the scene in Jaws when Quint challenges Hooper to prove his Seamanship. He throws Hooper a rope and tells Hooper to tie him a Sheepshank. Hooper ties it and throws it back to Quint, and I'll never forget what Quint does: He just catches the rope and, without even looking at it, throws it on the floor.

Give me two off that list, Ryan; and, depending on your reaction to my Hermeneutics, I may explain the rest.
Here are my two...
John 3:13-15 Says that no one has ascended into heaven before Jesus except for Jesus himself. 2 Ki 2:11 States that Elijah ascended into heaven.
and
2 Chr 21:20 and 2 Chr 22:1-2 Here Jehoram is 32 when he comes to power and he reigns for 8 years. So he is 40 when he dies. Then his "oldest" son comes to power. As it says his oldest son is 42 when he comes to power. So his son is 2 years older than him.

Please let me know how these are not errors.
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
Ceridwen018 said:
How delightfully convenient.

I suggest you find some.
Like I said before ... it wouldn't do me a lick of good. I know from experience that if I start dragging authors and websites into my posts, then for every author or website I produce, they produce just as much.

I try to link peoples' questions to Bible verses ... not websites or authors.

My very first post is a classical example. I stated that God embedded age in His creation. To prove it from the Bible, I showed how the Earth has only been here for 6000 years.

I could have started providing websites and authors to back my point up, but I'm not here to do that. I want to back my points up sola scriptura.

My religious philosophy is: if it's not in the Bible, it's not worth debating.
 

Jayhawker Soule

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Premium Member
AV1611 said:
My religious philosophy is: if it's not in the Bible, it's not worth debating.
No, your religious philosophy is: if you don't accept the inerrancy of the KJV, it's not worth debating. You have immunized yourself from any responsibility to discuss rationally or ethically.
 

Fascist Christ

Active Member
AV1611 said:
Oooookay ... thanks for clearing that up!
I guess I need to clarify further. You claim that the things that are being said are negative. I am saying that the negative things are in the religion.

You might say that my view of the crucifixion is negative, but I say that the crucifixion itself is negative. The difference is your use of the word "negative" is showing disagreement, whereas my use of the word conscerns the moral issues of capital punishment.

In other words, you like the attention resulting from disagreements in debate, but I say that the attention is due to the evil within the book, and those evils it has aided or caused.
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
Fascist Christ said:
I guess I need to clarify further. You claim that the things that are being said are negative. I am saying that the negative things are in the religion.

You might say that my view of the crucifixion is negative, but I say that the crucifixion itself is negative. The difference is your use of the word "negative" is showing disagreement, whereas my use of the word conscerns the moral issues of capital punishment.

In other words, you like the attention resulting from disagreements in debate, but I say that the attention is due to the evil within the book, and those evils it has aided or caused.
Ooooookay ... thanks for clearing THAT up!
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
Deut. 32.8 said:
No, your religious philosophy is: if you don't accept the inerrancy of the KJV, it's not worth debating. You have immunized yourself from any responsibility to discuss rationally or ethically.
I was wondering what I meant when I said what I said. Thanks for the clarification!
 
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