Crystallas
Active Member
and a new mission in Iraq has started.
I don't know what to think of this. Promises, promises.
Discuss.
I don't know what to think of this. Promises, promises.
Discuss.
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Operation Iraqi Freedom is over....
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Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Wacky shenanigans, the whole lot of it, from the very beginning and well into the distant future.
Neo-Logic
Reality Checker
A rose by any other name would smell just as ... smolder-y
Let's face it. We'll never actually leave Iraq and Afghanistan. Heck, we're still in Latin America and Philippines, employing marines to blow **** up and use lethal force. Politicians can redefine the contingencies that ends 'operations', but our military personnel will never be really out. It doesn't take Nostradamus to figure out that we'll be in Iraq for at least 5-10 years, Afghanistan for another 10-15. We'll have 'training personnel' there who can 'use guns' and still employ 'lethal force' -- sounds like soldiers to me!
Wars are like a relationship. Sometimes both parties call it quits, but there's always the occasional drunk texting, drunk phone calls, your stuff over at her place and her yours, and possibly other benefits.
Let's face it. We'll never actually leave Iraq and Afghanistan. Heck, we're still in Latin America and Philippines, employing marines to blow **** up and use lethal force. Politicians can redefine the contingencies that ends 'operations', but our military personnel will never be really out. It doesn't take Nostradamus to figure out that we'll be in Iraq for at least 5-10 years, Afghanistan for another 10-15. We'll have 'training personnel' there who can 'use guns' and still employ 'lethal force' -- sounds like soldiers to me!
Wars are like a relationship. Sometimes both parties call it quits, but there's always the occasional drunk texting, drunk phone calls, your stuff over at her place and her yours, and possibly other benefits.
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Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Yep, this war has been like a relationship, alright - between an authoritative misogynist and a crazy-making wild eyed woman with in-laws from hell. She provokes, he beats the hell out of her, then sends her flowers along with divorce papers, lining out his upcoming ten years of alimony and child support. She hates him but needs his money, and he hates her but can't get around the fact that there's something about that oily ***** that keeps his libido fired up.
And then...there are the kids to think about...
And then...there are the kids to think about...
kai
ragamuffin
sniper762
Well-Known Member
i find it to be cheesy that obama is trying to take credit for "ending the war" in iraq when pres bush initiated the plan for the combat troops to be out of iraq nlt aug of 2010 before he left office. keep trying to FOOL the people obama!
Bush Plans Further Reduction in Forces - washingtonpost.com
Bush Plans Further Reduction in Forces - washingtonpost.com
Scarlett Wampus
psychonaut
Keep trying to....what?
Did you actually read the article you linked to before claiming it supported your beliefs? Perhaps you should give it another go.
I don't think anyone needs Obama to fool you if you do such a good job of it yourself.
dust1n
Zindīq
Operation Iraqi Freedom turning into Operation New Dawn, after Iraqi Freedom was supposedly Mission-Accomplished in 2003 by Bush on the something.something. Abraham Lincoln, simply because we brought home all but 20,000 troops still there (can you say occupation?) and sent some of them to Afghanistan to find that **** hole of a economic-imperial slaughterhouse of a bombing range is nothing but a very shallow way to legitimately change names in the military's PR department's campaign to spin the entire situation of Obama kinda-doing-what-he-said-to-get-himself-elected-but-not-really-doing-what-he-said-he-was-going-to-do-to-get-elected-elephant in the room so that his approval rating doesn't plummet and Americans can go back to their apathetic, entertainment driven lifestyles.
That's my one sentence worth of input anyways.
LittlePinky82
Well-Known Member
"Freedom"? Hmm I wonder how all the dead Iraqi's feel about that. Oh wait...
LittlePinky82
Well-Known Member
Yes, yes let's give him all the "credit" for killing thousands of civilians and destroying a country. I'm sure the Hague would like to know who to prosecute. Not exactly like with Hitler since he was the only person in charge during WW2.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
I contacted the Iraqi dead via ouija board and their only regret about the whole ordeal is that they didn't eat enough apple pie or listen to enough Elvis Presley in life.
Crystallas
Active Member
I'm a bit more focused on the future here. I know what has happened, I've been there, so I know first hand all about the mistakes.
When I say, I don't know what to think of this Address, I mean that in a political context.
The plan was to end OIF for quite some time based on some of Bush era guidelines by August 2010, and not the Obama announcement on the last day of August makes everything very suspicious. I'm not a Bush or Obama supporter, and I'm not going to defend either of them, but why this exact date?
Do they believe that ending it sooner would have been any worse than ending it now(on paper). Therefore much more firepower against the Democrats in November?
The whole announcement was VERY quiet for a Presidential Address, and that's very suspicious as well.
If the announcement was later, would that be regarded as a failure to comply with the pre-set guidelines?
Would the later announcement hurt the November results?
Does Washington want to bring more troops home, in order to prepare for a new phase of a growing police state?
There are quick and biased answers ready to go here, just because people have been outraged about the subject for a long time, but to get the real answers... we may never know, or we'll only have to wait to see the end effects, or if the promises were kept to begin with.
Personally, I'm just getting ready for the domino effect. As the political side of this war will only grow.
When I say, I don't know what to think of this Address, I mean that in a political context.
The plan was to end OIF for quite some time based on some of Bush era guidelines by August 2010, and not the Obama announcement on the last day of August makes everything very suspicious. I'm not a Bush or Obama supporter, and I'm not going to defend either of them, but why this exact date?
Do they believe that ending it sooner would have been any worse than ending it now(on paper). Therefore much more firepower against the Democrats in November?
The whole announcement was VERY quiet for a Presidential Address, and that's very suspicious as well.
If the announcement was later, would that be regarded as a failure to comply with the pre-set guidelines?
Would the later announcement hurt the November results?
Does Washington want to bring more troops home, in order to prepare for a new phase of a growing police state?
There are quick and biased answers ready to go here, just because people have been outraged about the subject for a long time, but to get the real answers... we may never know, or we'll only have to wait to see the end effects, or if the promises were kept to begin with.
Personally, I'm just getting ready for the domino effect. As the political side of this war will only grow.
LittlePinky82
Well-Known Member
I was thinking about this recently too about why this date. Why now? Why not listen to the Iraqi people when they've been telling you (the leaders) to get out since 2006 at least? Even though on the outside all this looks like chaos it probably in reality isn't. It's so they can steal more etc. I also found it odd how nicey-nicey Obama was to Bush when in the past, during the campaign season, he was quite critical if I'm remembering correctly.
I think these troops aren't going anywhere. At least a good bit of them. They're just going to have job titles changed and that's it but they'll be doing the same things. If they aren't in Iraq they'll just go to Afghanistan. All I know for sure is I don't have too good feelings about all this stuff. I know that seems crazy but since I was a teenager at least my feelings on things have been pretty right in a lot of times. Like 80-90% record.
Alceste
Vagabond
PR stunt. The US built too many permanent military bases in Iraq and Afghanistan for me to believe it was ever their intention to leave. However, maybe they'll stop killing people a little (for appearance's sake), and that would be a good thing. What I want to know is whether they've pulled out all the private sector mercenaries. Those guys are the worst criminals of all.
Smoke
Done here.
I think Rahm Emanuel thought it would be nice if the administration gave the appearance of having accomplished something before the midterm elections.
From my perspective, it looks like that isn't much of a consensus on what even a best case scenario would be for the future of Iraq.
Which I find quite natural at this point, after so much was sacrificed (truth first of all) and so little accomplished. It is hard not to draw unconfortable parallels to Vietnam. Perhaps even more significantly, it is hard not to draw ever worse parallels to the situation of Iran under the Shah regimen.
I'm afraid GWB and his associate warmongers may have betrayed the USA to such a degree that a true recovery may not be a realistic goal.
Which I find quite natural at this point, after so much was sacrificed (truth first of all) and so little accomplished. It is hard not to draw unconfortable parallels to Vietnam. Perhaps even more significantly, it is hard not to draw ever worse parallels to the situation of Iran under the Shah regimen.
I'm afraid GWB and his associate warmongers may have betrayed the USA to such a degree that a true recovery may not be a realistic goal.
dust1n
Zindīq
And the most unaccountable.